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Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by skinnymuch »

cmroanirgo wrote: post #206
sylens wrote: post #157

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I have no idea if they will try it again someday, but I would love to see Microsoft give this another go. I think strong messaging about "quality over quantity" of apps would actually be a boon to them. I never go looking in the App Store for new apps anymore - just give me my video streamers, a Reddit client, Spotify, Slack, Discord, and Signal and I'm good to go.

I'm sure many would be reluctant to trust m$ as a 3rd party in the mobile phone stakes, particularly with their telemetry, which is the root of the cancer plaguing the existing platforms (including desktop) already.

Most people aren’t using $ in words like Msft. Most likely find that weird. Same with caring about telemetry if they even know its definition. This is not even getting into not caring about all of this enough to call stuff “cancer”

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by rglullis »

lawl wrote: post #12
lumb63 wrote: post #7

I’m not surprised. I used Android devoutly, had a Galaxy S4, then an S8 when that started showing its age. I upgraded to an iPhone 12 when AT&T ran the promotion to get a free one. I wanted to keep liking Android. The amount of time I spent arguing vehemently that Android was superior made the switch hard, but several factors came into play for me: - Extremely slow and fragmented upgrade of OS. This resulted in subst…

It's pick your poison. The only reason I'm still on android is because at least I can (still) have root there. I'm saying still because of safety net. But if apple let me have root, i'd probably prefer an Apple over Google. Mobile phones and their user hostility is a cancer. I'm seriously considering using a full GNU/Linux handheld for mobile things i can do in a browser, and keep an android phone for app garbage tha…

Consider the Android distros that are free from Google services. I am on /e/OS which has an android base. Between its app store and F-Droid, you get almost everything you'd want from a mobile OS (minus games) without all the Google/Apple/Samsung crap.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by tomComb »

orra wrote: post #224
Narushia wrote: post #178

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I thought they had moved security updates to be delivered via Google Play so that users could keep receiving them even when the OEM doesn’t deliver OS updates anymore? Or are those separate security updates from the "normal" firmware security patches?

Somewhat? The browser and presumably the webview is distributed through Google Play, yes. But kernel upgrades are not.

Almost all attack services are now updated remotely by Google for security issues. In the kernel only video drivers can be updated remotely (and support for this depends on the vendor).

I think it is a much better way to do security updates than the Apple model - security issues shouldn't have to wait for the next firmware update and for the user to apply them.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by vidanay »

marcosdumay wrote: post #237
vidanay wrote: post #211

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I have a company issued iPhone, and the atrocious notification system is enough to assure I will not buy an iPhone personally. If notifications in iOS were ever completely overhauled to the Android model, I would probably jump ship.

Well, I don't really know the iOS system, but Android lets you authorize (or block) each different interface of notifications (like text, sounds, or appearing at the top) for each different application, and you can do that right from the notification itself. I imagine this is what the GP is talking about.

I think you replied to the wrong comment? I am quite familiar with the power of the Android notification system. iOS notifications pale in comparison.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by skinnymuch »

adamomada wrote: post #212
lawl wrote: post #12

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It's pick your poison. The only reason I'm still on android is because at least I can (still) have root there. I'm saying still because of safety net. But if apple let me have root, i'd probably prefer an Apple over Google. Mobile phones and their user hostility is a cancer. I'm seriously considering using a full GNU/Linux handheld for mobile things i can do in a browser, and keep an android phone for app garbage tha…

I switched from rooted Android to an iPhone that has the checkm8 bootrom exploit and use a tool called checkra1n[0] to 'jailbreak' it. It's been really nice, super stable (i.e. months between restarts) and unlocks so many little comforts for me coming from custom Android. To an android user, it's similar to Xposed, but with almost every change to the system going through Xposed instead of modules, random scripts, etc…

I had Xposed with a Note 3 or 4. It didn’t seem like the amount of customizing and tweaks were close to what iOS jailbreaking had. Maybe I never found the right place to figure stuff out. For iOS jailbreaking I just go to the subreddit once in a while for a bit.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by sillyinseattle »

el-salvador wrote: post #193
jl6 wrote: post #135

What I find quite interesting amongst my colleagues is that they are deeply invested/locked into either the Google ecosystem or the Apple ecosystem. I know zero people who have recent experience of using both iOS and Android - they’re either in one camp or the other, and have only superficial knowledge of what it’s like to use the other. It feels like two parallel universes running side by side, just out of reach of…

Is it unusual in the U.S. to carry two phones? I've had a work provided phone and a personal phone for a long time and so most of the people I know. Sometimes I've had a work iPhone and a personal Android, and now a work Android and a personal older iPhone.

Quite unusual. It's also harder to purchase devices with 2 (physical) SIM slots (a popular feature in Asia)

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by tomComb »

Kye wrote: post #225
Narushia wrote: post #178

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I thought they had moved security updates to be delivered via Google Play so that users could keep receiving them even when the OEM doesn’t deliver OS updates anymore? Or are those separate security updates from the "normal" firmware security patches?

I thought that too with my last Android. It never got them, so my next phone was a 6S Plus in 2018 (launched in 2015) that still gets updates.

How do you know you didn't get them? They are silent. Also, I don't think that 'not getting them' is an option other then with video drivers. The whole idea is that security updates should be pushed immediately to all devices and not require user action. You get them even if you don't want them.

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Post by jl6 »

manmal wrote: post #171
jl6 wrote: post #128

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How do you get music files into the Music app other than through iTunes?

The sync functionality has been moved into the Finder app, so it’s part of macOS. I‘m not sure what’s the best way on Windows, but Microsoft‘s Phone Companion seems to take care of necessary software installation.

I use Linux primarily so my iPhone music sync solution is currently iTunes running in a dedicated Windows VM.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by jl6 »

el-salvador wrote: post #193
jl6 wrote: post #135

What I find quite interesting amongst my colleagues is that they are deeply invested/locked into either the Google ecosystem or the Apple ecosystem. I know zero people who have recent experience of using both iOS and Android - they’re either in one camp or the other, and have only superficial knowledge of what it’s like to use the other. It feels like two parallel universes running side by side, just out of reach of…

Is it unusual in the U.S. to carry two phones? I've had a work provided phone and a personal phone for a long time and so most of the people I know. Sometimes I've had a work iPhone and a personal Android, and now a work Android and a personal older iPhone.

The two-phone solution seems to be giving way to BYOD. I haven’t carried a second device in years.

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Post by skinnymuch »

drdec wrote: post #137
throwawayboise wrote: post #70

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Yep. There is one reason and one reason only I am on Android: price. A mobile phone does not have enough value to me to pay for Apple's least expensive phone.

Exactly. I was recently talking to a guy who had had his iPhone stolen. But it was no big deal - he had replacement insurance and the deductible was only $200. Which is more than I have ever paid for a phone in my life.

Price of phone shouldn’t be used as a barometer. It should be the price you end up paying per month when all is said and done.
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