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Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Long time Google fanboy here, and I'm honestly a hair's breadth away from buying an iphone 13. I have had nexus/pixels phones since the gnex. I have evangelized android to for almost as long. I did ground work for google by pushing people into google's services. I have a day 1 pixel 6 pro. I pay for cloud storage and yt premium. But to me google is just falling apart. I feel like they have lost their technology drive…

I switched recently, and honestly have found the experience on iPhone to broadly be worse. There are a few things that are a bit nicer, but the downgrade in the notifications system alone just tanks the experience. That said I switched for mostly privacy reasons, so won't be going back.

How is a completely proprietary OS more private? I think LineageOS is the most private.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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> Android’s loss of market share boils down to heightened competition within the OS space Yeah, that duopoly is a lot of competition

Maybe a lot of people are just really tired of crappy android phones and want to try the other side of the fence.

I’m not referring to the nicer phones like the pixel or some of the galaxy phones. But the cheaper phones that are often given away for free.

I’m not saying that’s everything, just a guess. I’m kind of surprised the difference is as big as 8%.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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I just bought the Pixel 6. That's the flagship device for Android. It doesn't really get any better. It's fine as a phone. It's got a nice screen. The camera isn't bad. Reasonably priced (I payed 555 Euro). And all the other specs people seem to obsess about. But other than that, I struggle to see how this thing is any better than the cheap, four year old Nokia 7 Plus it replaced. I feel slightly ripped off actually. The only thing wrong with that device: the usb c connector was getting flaky (could not charge unless I held the cable just right) and it was no longer getting any security & feature upgrades because Google are being idiots. Lets face it: there has been no meaningful progress for Android phones in the last half decade. It doesn't matter what you buy. You get the same apps & experience with slightly different screens, batteries, cameras, etc.

That's the challenge in this space. A four year old cheap smart phone actually doesn't look half bad compared to the latest and greatest Google has to offer. Whatever Google did since Android 9, I don't really care for any of it. It's not really any better in any way that matters to me. IMHO the gesture bullshit is gimmicky & annoying and the endless Android theme tweaking close to irrelevant at this point. It doesn't feel exclusive to me; just different in a way that doesn't matter to me at all.

The reason Apple has progressed in terms of market share is that they doubled down on what matters. People seem to like IOS as it is and they did not mess with that too much. Other than that, good hardware improvements, software updates for almost anything they sold in the last eight years, and improvements where it matters (screen, camera, speed, etc.). You pay a premium for it but you get what you expect. And then you use the device until it breaks down and you get another one. They offer stability and incremental progress for the life time of the device. There's nothing that Android offers that IOS needs. It has it all.

With Android you're haggling on a lot of different specs between different vendors. And somehow you get a worse deal no matter what you choose. You can go Samsung and deal with their proprietary crap-ware. You can go generic Chinese & out of favor brand and deal with the fact that they've been cut off from the Google Play services. Or you can buy a few me too products from generic Android OEMs and obsess about how many pixels the screen has; how many redundant camera lenses they have, how bad the battery is, etc.

I actually like the Pixel 6 as a phone. But excuse me for not getting too excited about it because it's not exceptional in any way and Google will abandon supporting it in hurry for whatever their next shiny new hot thing is in six months.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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It's pick your poison. The only reason I'm still on android is because at least I can (still) have root there. I'm saying still because of safety net. But if apple let me have root, i'd probably prefer an Apple over Google. Mobile phones and their user hostility is a cancer. I'm seriously considering using a full GNU/Linux handheld for mobile things i can do in a browser, and keep an android phone for app garbage tha…

What does having root on your phone improve for you?

The principle of not letting a company or government have more power over a device you own that holds your private actions, whereabouts and even inner thoughts you communicate with those closest to you.

I'm not paranoid, but it's not the direction I want to see computing evolve in.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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>people have just resorted to ostracizing android users by co-opting iOS' "green bubbles" as a scarlet letter. What does this mean?

For a long-form answer, Marques Brownlee has a video[0] that discusses the technical, commercial, and social aspects.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuaKzm7Kq9Q

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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This is a war that Apple has already won even with their lower marketshare. I think the only interesting thing left in the mobile OS space is the idea of dumb smartphone OS's such as KaiOS for people who want to simplify their lives a bit.

KaiOS is a long way from perfectly usable just yet but you know that wonderfully relaxed feeling you get when you forget your phone and decide against driving back to get it? Perhaps that's the impetus for a new kind of challenger to iOS. A phone /OS who's best feature is that it actually does less.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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I’m not surprised. I used Android devoutly, had a Galaxy S4, then an S8 when that started showing its age. I upgraded to an iPhone 12 when AT&T ran the promotion to get a free one. I wanted to keep liking Android. The amount of time I spent arguing vehemently that Android was superior made the switch hard, but several factors came into play for me: - Extremely slow and fragmented upgrade of OS. This resulted in subst…

So... I'm curious, why were you spending a lot of time arguing vehemently that Android was superior, at the same time you weren't actually liking it yourself?

[I have an Android phone, and don't love it or hate it.]

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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I got my wife a new iPhone right before the war started, and I swear, every time the migration process gets worse and worse. I installed iTunes, took a full backup of her old iPhone, restored it to the new one, and it was still missing her music, her movies, her books, despite containing all of that judging by the file size. I had to resort to 3rd party software to rip the data out of it and shove it into the new iPhone. And even then it managed to delete the books when I uploaded the music, forcing me to repeat the exercise.

At least with my Android phone I can simply plug it in my PC and copy the files I need in either direction.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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What I find quite interesting amongst my colleagues is that they are deeply invested/locked into either the Google ecosystem or the Apple ecosystem. I know zero people who have recent experience of using both iOS and Android - they’re either in one camp or the other, and have only superficial knowledge of what it’s like to use the other. It feels like two parallel universes running side by side, just out of reach of…

It is like not knowing stuff about Windows 15 years ago. I find peculiar as yet alone the curiousity of a tech-savvy person (which I assume you are based on yout comments) should drive one at least to one of those modern OSes.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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The security upgrades situation on Google is intolerable. I finally have a phone (3axl) that didn't die in a couple years from accidents / abuse / going to the gym in my pocket, and Google is eol-ing it because they've cut off security upgrades. My next phone will be an iphone.

Googler opinions are my own. At least they fixed this with the pixel 6 with a 5 year upgrade plan.

No. Google is the operating system vendor. They either fix this with all Android phones or they haven't fixed anything at all.
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