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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by linuxhansl »

Hmm... I just downgraded my Internet because I did not feel like paying the cable fees/taxes (I do not watch cable or sports) and they came bundled with the higher speed. (You can now guess who my provider might be.)

My guaranteed speed is just 50Mbit/s, and despite being a software engineer and streaming movies, I did not notice a difference. My son has to wait longer for his steam downloads sometimes.

25GBit/s is impressive, though, and if I could get it here without strings attached I'd probably go for it, too.

BTW. My first experience was a dial-up model with 9600 baud, so maybe my expectations are just lower :)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by jamiek88 »

larusso wrote: post #245
kayoone wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gigabit internet is quite widely available through different cable providers in Germany nowadays. Also the country side seems to be moving up, the very rural place where I grew up (and where my mom still lives) had a max of 2Mbps DSL for the last 20(!) years and now the whole area is being upgraded to fibre and will enjoy 10/1Gbps by the end of the year!

I moved into a newly build house in 2014 and was shocked to learn that all the houses only had basic copper telephone lines and Sat-TV. The whole field was empty and they had to do the groundwork for the copper cables anyway. I was shocked when the Telekom person, who connected my then 16MBit/s ADSL contract I had to move with, told me that the next TAL (connection point; Teilnehmer Anschluss Leitung, I don’t know th…

What a pain in the arse!

Just fyi as I know you aren’t a native speaker, it’s ‘chip in’, if you were native I’d assume a typo, probably is for you too, but it’s a phrase easy to mishear and when I was learning a second language I appreciated these corrections.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by hotpotamus »

tinco wrote: post #238
hotpotamus wrote: post #222

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Yep, you beat me to this comment. I ran cat 5e through my house in 2009 and didn't bother with cat 6 because no cable runs would be that long. I assumed there would be 10Gb consumer switches by now, but I haven't seen any yet.

There are consumer 10gbit switches now, though they are on the pricy side at around $400. I bought 3 of them for our datacenter and 2 of them broke within 2 years, so I definitely regret buying consumer grade for our operations but professional gear was ridiculously expensive then. Upgraded to ubiquity now, hopefully it's more reliable, though I guess it's on the prosumer side if you ask your average net admin.

Well, when I say consumer, I mean unmanaged and less than $100 for 4-8 ports. I assumed that when gigabit over UTP was formalized in 1999, I wouldn't have to wait a quarter century to upgrade, but here we are. And to be fair, gigabit still basically does what I need.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by darthrupert »

zhdc1 wrote: post #45

I had 10gb internet on what was essentially a shared connection when I lived in Zürich. That, along with a surplus server I literally housed in my shoe closet, gave me the firepower I needed to prototype out something that led to two research grants which now employ myself and a new PhD student. We discount technological investments like this as being “too much” and “unpractical”, but we forget that, even if it only…

Many interesting things happen at the limit of what’s currently possible. That’s why extreme efficiency of computer hardware and software will always be important.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Seattle3503 »

hotpotamus wrote: post #222
hasty wrote: post #178

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On point #1, you can probably do 10Gbps (assuming it's actually Cat5e), as long as it's under 50m or so. If it's just a run inside your house, it's likely well within range.

Yep, you beat me to this comment. I ran cat 5e through my house in 2009 and didn't bother with cat 6 because no cable runs would be that long. I assumed there would be 10Gb consumer switches by now, but I haven't seen any yet.

What I've heard is that 10Gb over copper struggles with heat and power consumption, though it is technically possible.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Retric »

adventured wrote: post #221
Retric wrote: post #158

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That’s not a reasonable comparison for Thailand food prices as food isn’t disposable income. World bank says GDP per capita PPP was 18,232$ in 2020 down from 19,233$ in 2019. Of course that’s not evenly distributed, but rural vs urban incomes mean costs are higher in cities than median income suggests. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locat... Where your number comes into play is for people pric…

GDP PPP per capita is an extraordinarily low quality metric. You end up with absurd examples where Botswana is comparable to China; Russia is comparable to Greece; Puerto Rico is comparable to Spain, ahead of Portugal, and just a bit lower than Japan; Kazakhstan is just a bit behind Latvia and Slovakia; Taiwan is far ahead of Finland, France, UK, New Zealand.

It’s just a question of what you’re trying to use these numbers for.

Imputed rent for example is one of those things that’s kind of silly on the face of it but makes various comparisons more reasonable. On the other hand it can also imply a great deal of economic activity that isn’t actually happening.

PPP is the same sort of calculation. If rents crash because a great deal of housing was built it can make GDP comparisons kind of meaningless. The country has more tangible wealth, people are better off, yet GDP falls. That’s not what you want the number to represent.

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Post by indigomm »

loudthing wrote: post #169
101008 wrote: post #71

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Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Even a low speed connection in a rural zone can achieve wonderful things. But I really wonder what was your prototype that needed that speed connection and that wouldn't work with something slower. Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?

I’ve never heard someone call their own country a “third world country”. Out of curiosity, which country are you referring to?

It's an outdated term. I recommend reading Hans Rosling's book Factfulness where he addresses a lot of common misconceptions. If anything, it's fun to take the tests and compare where you are against the rest of the world.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by ghaff »

duxup wrote: post #70
jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

I get upgrade offers all the time. But it doesn’t matter because it isn’t actually offered in my area / the local telco can’t even notify the right people…

I don't think they do any longer but Verizon used to send me FIOS flyers on a fairly regular basis and when I went to their site it looked as if it wasn't actually available at my address (where I get Comcast).

Also amusingly, both Comcast and Verizon have the very old (as in multiple decades) name for the street I live on as my address. It's only somewhat wrong (the name used to have a North on it)--but it is still wrong.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by thfuran »

ggpsv wrote: post #191
loudthing wrote: post #169

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I’ve never heard someone call their own country a “third world country”. Out of curiosity, which country are you referring to?

This is term is commonly misused as it originally referred to countries beyond the Cold War's NATO/USSR denominations. Today the parent likely refers to a country in the global south or a "developing" nation. I'm from what used to be a third-world country in the strict sense of term, I'd now refer to my country as a country in the global south.

>I'd now refer to my country as a country in the global south

Meaning what, in the southern hemisphere and not Australia or new Zealand?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by kingcharles »

jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

AT&T called me. They said their technical guys think they might be able to upgrade the connection to my building from 1.5Mbps to 3Mbps if I want to sign-up with them. I'm in downtown Chicago.
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