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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by ggpsv »

loudthing wrote: post #169
101008 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Even a low speed connection in a rural zone can achieve wonderful things. But I really wonder what was your prototype that needed that speed connection and that wouldn't work with something slower. Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?

I’ve never heard someone call their own country a “third world country”. Out of curiosity, which country are you referring to?

This is term is commonly misused as it originally referred to countries beyond the Cold War's NATO/USSR denominations. Today the parent likely refers to a country in the global south or a "developing" nation.

I'm from what used to be a third-world country in the strict sense of term, I'd now refer to my country as a country in the global south.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by vinay_ys »

I expect the 25Gbps link to be over-subscribed. Without minimum bandwidth guarantees, with 48Y4C * 2 switch and 100Gbps backhaul to the whole PoP (with minimum 64 customers for it to break-even), I suspect the sustained bandwidth will fluctuate wildly. In the worst case scenario, each customer may get a sustained bandwidth less than 50Mbps. Of course the big advantage is burst bandwidth is much higher.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by kbenson »

404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

> Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do is to route 1Gbit.

Having your uplink faster than all your individual ports in a network helps prevent any one port from being able to saturate your network.

I work at an ISP that within the last year started selling 10Gbit symmetric, and we all sorta know there's not a huge use for it - yet. It's not really an issue for use to justify though, we don't charge any extra for it, it's all $40/mo and if you're in a new area we're building you get 10Gbit instead of the old 1Gbit at that price.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by denysvitali »

Swisscom customer (and employee) here, opinions are my own of course.

They recently called me to upgrade my fiber connection from 1 Gbps to 10Gbps for free (every customer with a compatible connection gets it, AFAIK).

I have to admit that, although the network is indeed faster (on the speed tests and file transfers), I really don't see the point quite yet.

Considering that:

- Most of the devices I use are anyways connected to WiFi 6

- Reaching a 10Gbps peak is highly unlikely

- Most of my ethernet ports are anyways at most 1Gbps

- Most of the servers won't serve you more than 1Gbps anyways

I do not really consider this a must-have upgrade for a residential customer, especially if you live alone / less than 4 people.

On top of that, as demonstrated by these tests, servers aren't quite there yet, and the 10Gbps / 25Gbps you are getting are not fully dedicated to your connection.

Don't get me wrong, I love to be able to use the fastest internet I can - but realistically speaking this is just useful in a few specific cases.

If you are hosting your own server at home, a 10 / 25 Gbps upload is definitely interesting though.

It a nice thing to have already, and I'm really thankful to live in a country where I have the privilege of having such a luxury, but as of today a >1Gbps connection is overkill (heck, for most of the stuff even a >100Mbps is overkill sometimes).

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by sschueller »

quercusa wrote: post #11

> fiber7 costs only 65 CHF per month and comes with a symmetric 1 Gbit/s connection. 65 CHF = US $67.89

In Zürich city a law was passed to pull fiber into every home. The fiber is serviced by the electric and partially the largest phone company. Any provider can use the network and therefore the fees a low.

If you live outside the city you may not be so lucky and spend 100+ on maybe 500mbit internet.

Init7 is also currently in a legal fight with swisscom because swisscom wants (has already started) to pull some alternative fiber that doesn't directly connect the customer to the pop therefore preventing competitors offering faster service than swisscom. The small cost savings that swisscom has is a huge problem for future upgrades and requires power in underground shafts. Not very green when you could pull the fibers directly.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by lukasLansky »

denysvitali wrote: post #195

Swisscom customer (and employee) here, opinions are my own of course. They recently called me to upgrade my fiber connection from 1 Gbps to 10Gbps for free (every customer with a compatible connection gets it, AFAIK). I have to admit that, although the network is indeed faster (on the speed tests and file transfers), I really don't see the point quite yet. Considering that: - Most of the devices I use are anyways con…

My ethernet is also capped at 1 Gb/s for most of my computers. The 10 Gb/s connection is still useful as it makes sure that things running at different devices won't affect each other. Streaming won't affect games won't affect work-related video calls. It's great.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by klabb3 »

powersnail wrote: post #179
rektide wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive Is it expensive though? We spend how much of our lives online. How much do you think this all-spanning life upgrade costs? What is the price of never ever dealing with buffer-bloat? Take a guess. I calculate it as a one time $356 cost plus labor. You might have paid more for your wifi system. 128 port 25gbe switches are around $20k (…

A significant part of my life is online, indeed, but 99% of the time, bandwidth is a nonissue. Latency, very important. Bandwidth, not so much. I haven't experienced any bandwidth related internet problem in the past ten years, and that's moving from apartment to apartment, from hotel to hotel, from airport to airport. Don't get me wrong. I'm very much in favor of this upgrade. I just don't think it's going to be an…

> 99% of the time, bandwidth is a nonissue. Latency, very important

Indeed. And I'm speaking as someone who downloads most visual media before I watch it, so bandwidth matters to me. But not that much. With 100-200 Mbit/s I am good.

Cookie prompts, newsletter pop-ups, scrolljacking and ads constitutes the majority of wasted time for me, by a long shot. Latency to sites in other parts of the world can cause problems sometimes, since number of round trips can be quite high with TLS neg + progressively loaded content.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by sologoub »

Swiss 26 Gbit/s symmetrical… while in US getting 1Gbit/s down is a minor miracle and anything resembling that up is downright impossible. My area in a major VHCOL metro area has a wonderful choice of 1 cable provider and maybe 2 fixed cell providers (may be because they can’t tell you if the tower will give you a decent speed until you unpack and install the system).

How US gets so little for so much spent is really beyond me.

So excited that at least somewhere sanity and quality prevail!!!

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by denysvitali »

lukasLansky wrote: post #197
denysvitali wrote: post #195

Swisscom customer (and employee) here, opinions are my own of course. They recently called me to upgrade my fiber connection from 1 Gbps to 10Gbps for free (every customer with a compatible connection gets it, AFAIK). I have to admit that, although the network is indeed faster (on the speed tests and file transfers), I really don't see the point quite yet. Considering that: - Most of the devices I use are anyways con…

My ethernet is also capped at 1 Gb/s for most of my computers. The 10 Gb/s connection is still useful as it makes sure that things running at different devices won't affect each other. Streaming won't affect games won't affect work-related video calls. It's great.

Yes, in that sense you'd have a "dedicated" 1Gbps for each device. But realistically, how often do you need that?

I don't know about you, but the only time I would reach such a peak would be in case I download something huge while watching Netflix at 4k (which I don't have) and while at the same time downloading an update for my phone and a game for the PS5 (which I don't own).

I would argue that the likelihood of all the above things happening at the same time is quite low, at least for me :)

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