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But AT&T tells me not to worry, it has fiber rolling into my neighborhood. I know it must be true because they've been telling me that for the past 5+ years!
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have the same internet provider and package. While 25Gbps is indeed basically unattainable to anything other than Init7's speedtest server, it's easy to exceed 1Gbps. Software and driver updates exceed 1Gbps all the time, as do game updates/downloads through Steam. Piracy also works really well. Downloading copyrighted media is perfectly legal in Switzerland and I was able to get ~7Gbps real-world speeds from Usene…
Also with init7, very happy with my 1Gbps line. I'd probably even take a 300Mbps if it was half the price. Even with gigabit LAN I don't saturate the line more than a few seconds a day on things like updates, and anything from my RPi NAS isn't going to saturate it anyways. Please note too, piracy is not legal in Switzerland. What is illegal is the spying and tracking which would be necessary to build a case and prose…
The mentioned legal basis is [1].
Note that this applies strictly to downloading though. Participating in a torrent swarm (where uploading is also happening) is not permitted. That's where the technicality you mention comes in: until recently, it was illegal to monitor internet users for copyright enforcement purposes, which meant it was illegal to monitor a torrent swarm, which meant you could somewhat safely seed torrents, despite it being illegal.
That loophole was recently removed however.
[0]: https://www.ige.ch/en/intellectual-property/counterfeiting-a...
[1]: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1993/1798_1798_1798/en#ar...
Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless.
Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion:
1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do is to route 1Gbit. Running cables in multilevel (American) homes is a major PITA.
2. My Wi-Fi (802.11ax) is heavily affected by homes around me so only one AP can run with 80MHz channel width and the rest is 20-40MHz. Throughput ends up being somewhere between 150Mbit-500Mbit, depending on where you are.
3. I have a few smaller servers running ..stuff. The trouble is not about server performance or bandwidth.. it’s about reliability. Running any business on consumer line (in the USA) is just signing up for trouble. (Eg. “Is your line down because your modem received a fault firmware? No worries, the tech is going to be there within next 4 days to check your cables…”).
4. Things like game downloads on PS5 .. yes, they are amazingly fast (even on 1Gbit. They install faster from internet than from the built-in BD-ROM). But many games need to also “install” (whatever that means on PS5) and that takes 2x the time of download anyway. I can live with that once a month.
5. Big fan of streaming services, however many providers limit bitrate on their side so I am still watching the sometimes blurry 4k …
Back to original question and with genuine curiosity - what is 25Gbit for???
In the linked blog post to init7 (translated), it says this: “Backhaul means the return of the data to the backbone, i.e. to the connecting area of the network. The backbone connects the various subnets. Each Fiber7 pop is newly connected with at least 100Gbit/sec backhaul capacity, which corresponds to 10 to 50 times over-provision” Is that a normal over provisioning rate for an internet connection? It seems like ea…
For comparison: init7 POPs used to be connected with 10 Gbit/s “only”, so even 10 people maxing out their Gigabit line would saturate the uplink. This turned out to never be a problem over the years, I would always get maximum speed. The average usage is very low, in part also because transfers complete so quickly.
On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)
Mobile plans are also on the cheap side, to the point of being competitive with many third world countries (for example, I wasn't that impressed with prices in Thailand in 2020 for comparable plans, only a 1-2€ difference with what I had at home).
This is getting to the point that I find myself often suggesting fellows from border countries open a line in France, just so that they can enjoy the "European roaming data envelope" that comes with most plans (i.e. several gigabytes are free to use from anywhere in Europe, and you can make calls and texts to other EU countries when abroad...) after realizing how expensive and suckish mobile plans are in their country (Belgium in this instance).
[0] https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/French-news/Best-and...
Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…
Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost. I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.
> I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive Is it expensive though? We spend how much of our lives online. How much do you think this all-spanning life upgrade costs? What is the price of never ever dealing with buffer-bloat? Take a guess. I calculate it as a one time $356 cost plus labor. You might have paid more for your wifi system. 128 port 25gbe switches are around $20k (…
Don't get me wrong. I'm very much in favor of this upgrade. I just don't think it's going to be an everyday quality-of-life improvement for most people. It's more about providing a service for people with special needs, and future-proofing the infrastructure.
As someone shopping around for a FTTH offering (to get out of my current DOCSIS plan) how can I figure out which routers are compatible with the ISP's GPON? I've had phone calls with them and the support/sales reps have no idea. They provide their own router+AP box that takes the fiber and spits out WiFi and Ethernet, but how would I go about replacing that? Their hardware is obsolete, insecure, outdated and just all…
There are ONT SFPs that contain everything you need to connect back to the OLT. Maybe you can ask your ISP if that is supported?