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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by fractalb »

adventured wrote: post #121
barbacoa wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How affordable is $50 in rural Thailand compared to the USA?

The US has around ~10-12 times the disposable median income of Thailand (2019 figures), and ~10 times the GDP per capita of Thailand (2022 IMF estimates). It's like a typical consumer in the US spending $500+ per month for broadband. Even worse if you consider the rural income factor. Absolutely insane. For a fraction of that you can get 1gbps from Comcast and you'll never utilize most of it in 99% of consumer situat…

I’m just wondering how good of a measure it is comparing the median incomes of different countries. If a there is a country A with 10x median income of some other country B , then the people of country A are really 10x more affluent than that of country B? especially if they pay 10x for everything?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by mtalantikite »

jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

Brooklyn here, my building still doesn’t have fiber — I’ve complained to the city for years! I get to pay $75/month for 200Mbps down, 10 Mbps up. I’ve been told fiber is coming for almost 15 years.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by rpearl »

kelnos wrote: post #136
pirate787 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a metro area in the US and thousands of homes in my community do not have land-based broadband options. The US incumbents have totally failed and it isn't because there's a lot of desert in the West and Alaska. I'm sick of this argument which doesn't explain why city dwellers in most places in America have the worst internet in the developed world.

Yup, I live in San Francisco proper, and my only choice is Comcast cable. Looks like the current promo pricing for 1200Mbps is around $70/mo, but I can't quickly find what the normal price is. And I assume the uplink is something abysmal like 25Mbps. (I'm on Comcast's Business service, $250/mo for 1000/35 [long dumb story why]. Most of the time I see under 600 down when checking on speed test sites, and real-world sp…

Most of San Francisco can be served by Wave (cable). Sonic also has a large presence in San Francisco as well.

Over in Oakland I am paying $40/mo to Sonic for 10Gbps (though I only have equipment to route at 1Gbps at the moment)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by avh02 »

gadrev wrote: post #131
jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

On the other hand, try making 10-15k/month in europe in a regular tech job, esp. with little experience (0-3yr). It's orders of magnitude more uncommon than doing so in the USA. So bring all the hate :)

It's hard to do, but at least I can get fired and not worry about health insurance.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by jnwatson »

“ The init7 engineer met me in front of the building and explained “Hey! You wrote my window manager!””

That’s so cool. Very cool he got to participate in the upgrade process.

I had 1G up/down through FIOS (Verizon FTTH) but eventually downgraded to 500M because I was saving perhaps 10s a day for 50 bucks a month.

There has to be a server at the other end willing to give you data that fast.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by ec109685 »

In the linked blog post to init7 (translated), it says this: “Backhaul means the return of the data to the backbone, i.e. to the connecting area of the network. The backbone connects the various subnets. Each Fiber7 pop is newly connected with at least 100Gbit/sec backhaul capacity, which corresponds to 10 to 50 times over-provision”

Is that a normal over provisioning rate for an internet connection? It seems like each pop can only support four people at maximum speed before bandwidth would drop.

https://blog.init7.net/de/neue-infrastruktur/

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Retric »

adventured wrote: post #121
barbacoa wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How affordable is $50 in rural Thailand compared to the USA?

The US has around ~10-12 times the disposable median income of Thailand (2019 figures), and ~10 times the GDP per capita of Thailand (2022 IMF estimates). It's like a typical consumer in the US spending $500+ per month for broadband. Even worse if you consider the rural income factor. Absolutely insane. For a fraction of that you can get 1gbps from Comcast and you'll never utilize most of it in 99% of consumer situat…

That’s not a reasonable comparison for Thailand food prices as food isn’t disposable income. World bank says GDP per capita PPP was 18,232$ in 2020 down from 19,233$ in 2019. Of course that’s not evenly distributed, but rural vs urban incomes mean costs are higher in cities than median income suggests. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locat...

Where your number comes into play is for people pricing Netflix subscriptions.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by mrweasel »

mchusma wrote: post #110

For me it was the 2ms ping that had me jealous. After maybe 200 mbs I would trade almost all bandwidth for more latency.

It nice that 25Gbps is available, but I’d rather that ISPs started to lower prices, rather than upgrading speeds. I just cancels my 500mbps, because I now have to pay myself, 200mbps is plenty for online meetings, ssh and browsing.

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Post by zht »

geoka9 wrote: post #130
Existenceblinks wrote: post #36

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I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

I'm in a top 10 most expensive city in the world (Canada) and the best I can get for $50 is 80 Mbps (and even that is only available as a promotion that you can't get by simply going to the ISP's website and buying a plan).

I'm in the suburbs of the most expensive city in the world and I get 1gbps for $70 CAD
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