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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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25Gb/s is just overkill for residential use. It's really cool that's it's available, but I fail to see a use case over my 500Mb/s home connection. Even for the servers that I manage and that are bandwidth-heavy, 10Gb/s is way overprovisioned for now. WiFi goes up to 1Gb/s, if you're lucky. Sure, some WiFi-6 APs have a 2.5Gb/s connector, but that's not what you want or need, unless you're a high-density enterprise. Wi…

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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post #90

25Gb/s is just overkill for residential use. It's really cool that's it's available, but I fail to see a use case over my 500Mb/s home connection. Even for the servers that I manage and that are bandwidth-heavy, 10Gb/s is way overprovisioned for now. WiFi goes up to 1Gb/s, if you're lucky. Sure, some WiFi-6 APs have a 2.5Gb/s connector, but that's not what you want or need, unless you're a high-density enterprise. Wi…

In what world is 10GbE only available for servers?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA requires more raw materials to provide services. United States is about 19 times bigger than Thailand. Thailand is approximately 513,120 sq km, while United States is approximately 9,833,517 sq km, making United States 1,816% larger than Thailand. And then there is the duopoly of ISPs where they carve out huge chunks and agree not to compete.

Let's consider Gross National Product of each county adjusted for population size: gnpUSD = {'USA': 21,650,000,000,000, 'THA': 491,910,000,000} #4th quarter 2021 pop = {'USA': 329,000,000, 'THA': 70,000,000} #as of 2021 gnp['USA'] // pop['USA'] 65805 gnp['THA'] // pop['THA'] 7027 Seems more like a distribution of resources issue... so why not jack up taxes on the wealthiest 1% and use it to pay for things like high-s…

It isn’t a ‘tax the 1%’ issue, it’s a corruption and market capture issue in the US that we refuse to acknowledge.

Throwing more money at it usually makes that kind of problem WORSE not better.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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No %#*^ing way is he saturating a 25gbit connection to download a PS5 game — not on Sony’s EMEA servers anyway. He’d download the largest PS5 game out there (Borderlands at 50GB) in a minute anyway — probably before he could reach the full 25gbit. On a gigabit connection, he could download Borderlands in under 7 minutes. If that’s too long too wait, then having a faster connection isn’t this guy’s problem. The only u…

I believe Microsoft uses (used?) Bit Torrent for Windows updates. Can the Xbox do something similar?

Assuming Sony uses similar technology are the PS5 downloads strangled by weak residential connections? Maybe specifically in your area?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost. I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.

You forgetting the case where one hosts their own servers in the basement. Assuming that the connection is symmetric and offers static IP (which it does in my case but "only" for 1GBit/s). Some time ago PC has revolutionized the world by giving access to computer power to general population. This has unleashed a tidal wave of creativity and business. Giving the ability to host own servers to everyone can open up endl…

Yeah, I think more home connections going symmetric could open up big personal computing applications that haven’t been super practical before, and make a market for easy-to-use personal home servers. Even just personal media streaming while traveling can benefit greatly from upload being boosted past the 10mbit up that’s somewhat common among cable ISPs. Having a symmetric connection also removes one of the mental constraints that we have at the back of our minds.

It’s my biggest hope for internet re-decentralization.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Canada here. 500 Mbps is like $80/month lol.

It's all pretty negotiable. I pay $69/mo for gigabit fibre through Telus.

Telus fibre not available where I live only Shaw. And it's not bad all considered, just expensive compared to the rest of the world.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Consider me drooling. I'm currently on 1000/50 cable internet, which is already quite nice. Telekom is laying fibre but it's not clear yet whether or not they will stop short of this house. Also i suspect it will be a while before they offer better than 1000/500 service.

I hate asymmetric connections. You get gigabit download but something stupid like 20-100 Mbps upload? Just why... Upload speed matters just as much as download these days.

Because you have a single copper pair/coax cable with a finite bandwidth on it, and making a choice about how to split it.

Eg, your tech and cable can support 40 Mbps. If you split that 20/20, your users will have trouble watching 4K video that wants 25 Mbps. Change that to 35/5, and for most people it'll actually work better.

This issue goes away eventually as you either get a fiber for each direction, or you can just push terabits through fiber anyway, so there's plenty capacity to be symmetric without any compromises.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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I'm thrilled with my gigabit fiber from Sonic. I wonder how many of their customers even get the full gigabit though; if they are connecting with WiFi they almost certainly aren't. And even ethernet is still not reliably gigabit in homes with older wiring. But this 25gbit is in another category. I'm impressed the Ookla speedtest server can deliver 25Gbit. The 25gbit network card he mentions costs $400-$500, that's ch…

Yeah, I’m a new Sonic customer and got their 10gbit service. $40/mo beats any of the other three providers pricing for much lower bandwidth.

However, I only have a gigabit router, so most of that isn’t utilized, assuming that’s true for all my neighbors as well (Sonic’s only offering here is 10gbit)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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post #90

25Gb/s is just overkill for residential use. It's really cool that's it's available, but I fail to see a use case over my 500Mb/s home connection. Even for the servers that I manage and that are bandwidth-heavy, 10Gb/s is way overprovisioned for now. WiFi goes up to 1Gb/s, if you're lucky. Sure, some WiFi-6 APs have a 2.5Gb/s connector, but that's not what you want or need, unless you're a high-density enterprise. Wi…

25GB/s is overkill, and 640K ought to be enough for anyone. Those quotes age well.
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