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Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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> Rural productivity is vital to urban concentration. Raw material does not come from the depths of the subway system, nor do the land and seaports magically produce goods. Food, fiber, fuel, etc come from the rural reaches. We pay a premium to buy food from the rural US in the form of common import tariffs that stifle or eliminate competition at the expense of the consumer and to the benefit of agricultural interest…

"Large volumes of food need to come from some rural area, but if left to its own devices, the market would never demand that so much of it come from the rural US, or that the rural US make so much from the crops it produces." Why not? The US exports a lot a food and consumes a lot of food (per capita). If we were to cease exports and even some domestic production, then prices will rise. The worldwide demand isn't goi…

> Why not? The US exports a lot a food and consumes a lot of food (per capita). If we were to cease exports and even some domestic production

To clarify, removing tariffs and agricultural subsidies might not affect our overall agricultural output much (I wouldn't want to make a prediction on that) but it would lower the cost of goods which were previously subsidized with taxes or tariffs.

> Not to mention if we become an importer because of this, we could outbid other nations and instigate famine in the poorer nations.

It's worth pointing out that almost all economists of all political leanings are opposed to agricultural subsidies (it's one of the rare political things economists agree on) and one of the commonly cited reasons is that buying food produced by third-world economies at a true market price would be a natural and valuable step in helping those countries develop and grow out of poverty. The number of powerful people (including people who would normally give lip service to free markets) who, when confronted by this consensus among economists, basically don't give a shit is... disheartening.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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> Rural productivity is vital to urban concentration. Raw material does not come from the depths of the subway system, nor do the land and seaports magically produce goods. Food, fiber, fuel, etc come from the rural reaches. We pay a premium to buy food from the rural US in the form of common import tariffs that stifle or eliminate competition at the expense of the consumer and to the benefit of agricultural interest…

So the US would stop producing food and import it instead? First, why? Second, from an ecological perspective this wouldn't change anything, just shift shit around. Ridiculous, stop.

> So the US would stop producing food and import it instead?

Is that how US agricultural interests would react if they had to compete on the free market? They would simply give up and let the land lie fallow?

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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Exactly. It's bizarre how often you see people arguing as if a lack of rural or farm subsidies would suddenly mean food disappearing.

Consider this scenario: 1. The US drops all agricultural subsidies and tariffs. 2. The US begins importing most of its food from elsewhere. 3. "Elsewhere" goes to war with a US ally and stops selling food to the US. 4. The US then wishes it hadn't given up its abilty to grow food.

> 2. The US begins importing most of its food from elsewhere.

I'd argue that the more plausible outcome is what economists predict: US agricultural interests would have to compete and domestic prices for food would go down, while the price that struggling economies which export food can charge for that food would go up. Competition... and the various parties involved focusing on what they're good at producing.

On the other hand, we in the US do tend to be pretty idiotic about largely abandoning business sectors when the going gets rough.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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Exactly. It's bizarre how often you see people arguing as if a lack of rural or farm subsidies would suddenly mean food disappearing.

The core function of the government is to provide basic necessities to its constituents. In other words, guaranteeing a food supply is a critical national interest and there’s no better way than to incentivize home-grown food.

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Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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"Large volumes of food need to come from some rural area, but if left to its own devices, the market would never demand that so much of it come from the rural US, or that the rural US make so much from the crops it produces." Why not? The US exports a lot a food and consumes a lot of food (per capita). If we were to cease exports and even some domestic production, then prices will rise. The worldwide demand isn't goi…

> Why not? The US exports a lot a food and consumes a lot of food (per capita). If we were to cease exports and even some domestic production To clarify, removing tariffs and agricultural subsidies might not affect our overall agricultural output much (I wouldn't want to make a prediction on that) but it would lower the cost of goods which were previously subsidized with taxes or tariffs. > Not to mention if we becom…

I think that would be true and work, but only if our output wasn't reduced enough to interfere with other nations (supply needs to exceed nutritional need as it does today, and the distribution and supply chain also needs to be unaffected or improved). No idea of it would normally or not. But I'm guessing the high inflation and potential food crisis from the war in Ukraine would make this a unlikely candidate for a time to make that switch.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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Unless medium to large scale farming in the US is significantly different than the rest of the world, Land availability and demand are only tiny parts of the puzzle and not even the hardest issues to solve when farming. The need for immediate scale for any kind of shortage is guaranteed to cause significant shortages + massive price hikes starvation in the short term.

Lol, just how big do you think the farm subsidies are? This is some big-time Clancychat you're throwing out there.

Lol, i'm not talking about scale changes, not subsidies! loloolol

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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Hey we should talk! The county I live in has pretty good fiber with a population under 20k. I’ve been tossing around the idea of creating a curated list of properties for sale here. There isn’t a tech community here yet but the property prices are cheap ($325k for a house and 40 acres, also has city water). What made you interested in rural communities? What would make you likely to move to one? It’s quite a differen…

Curious, which county do you live in?

Scott county VA: https://datausa.io/profile/geo/scott-county-va

Property mentioned: https://apps.realtor.com/mUAZ/edgtb14h

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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Sante Fe County, south of Santa Fe.

How do you like it out there? Is there any kind of tech scene in the area or in New Mexico more generally?

I've only been here 3 years, most of which has been a COVID pandemic. I also don't tend to ever seek out tech scenes anywhere, so I'm probably not the right person to ask. As a self-employed aging developer with my own FLOSS project that generates a good income, it's a fine place to live. If I was a younger developer eager to learn and expand, much harder to say if it would be a good choice (it might be, but it might not).
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