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Definitely a part of it for some. Me, I cancelled due to the low quality of their catalog. A decade or so ago, they had a really strong library of media. Now they don't. What they spend their money on, I find to be severely lacking.
All this makes me realize that we have Netflix and haven't really watched or enjoyed it since, I think, the Expanse. I guess we watched the Squid Game, too, but I thought that was terrible. Like a low grade ripoff of an old (and much more intelligent) manga called The Liar Game.
The bottom is dropping out of Netflix
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#872"First Sale Doctrine? Who cares!" -Big Media (probably)
The whole "you're stealing" comment thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31123354) is clear byproduct of all this, with people talking past each other.
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I can buy a DVD, and loan that DVD out to 1000 friends. Everyone enjoys the movie without paying a dime. The movie studio only makes money of that first DVD sale to me.
--> This is legal and considered moral and normal by ~everyone.
Governments around the world can do the same as a public service with libraries that lend out all sorts of media. And, once again, the media right holders only get paid that first sale.
---> This is legal and considered moral and normal by ~everyone; and is democratically approved, government sanctions, public good.
Blockbuster and OG Netflix (DVD-by-mail) can buy 1000s of DVDs. Rent them out for profit. Once again, the media companies only profit off those first sales. No pay for view, pay for rental, etc royalty or extra cost.
---> Again, legal, moral, the way things were for decades.
---> More so, Netflix could buy and rent out whatever movies they wanted. Media companies couldn't deny them, no negotiations needed. Thus, Netflix had a fantastic movie catalog, the world was happy.
---> Heck, Netflix could even resale many of these DVDs months later on the used market to make-up costs. Eg. stock up for blockbuster launches, downsize later. Again, zero additional cut given to the media companies.
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- Netflix the DVD-by-mail company was built on first sale doctrine.
- Netflix the "DVD-by-email" (streaming) company normalized a model that bypasses it, let media companies re-write the rules under the specter of piracy, and ultimately disrupted themselves.
- Sure, their value skyrocketed as the harbinger of the streaming era, but likely sealed their long-term fate in the process.
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Steaming being "different" is kinda just an accident of history too. Imagine a timeline that turned out different and treated streaming as an evolution of renting tapes -> DVDs -> Blu-rays.
A hypothetical world where Netflix:
- Buys N digital copies of some show, and can only stream to N people at once.
- If I'm N+1, Netflix tells me "All copies are currently being streamed. We estimate a copy being available in 10 minutes. Would you like to join the queue? Feel free to watch Y (recommended by your viewing history!) while you wait. We'll notify you once available and you have up to 30 minutes to start watching before your reservation expires."
- All in all, basically the same as the old Netflix DVD era, where we had queues, multiple DVDs in the mail so we always had something to watch every night, etc. Just faster.
This alternate timeline would lead to multiple competing ventures, no way for media holders to pick/choose services (eg. no "only on X" nonsense) and everyone competing on price, quality, catalog (eg. blockbusters vs all-the-things vs speciality, etc)
It's a shame that simply using a faster postal service (eg. Internet) reclassifies the entire venture into something completely different, and gave media right holders more power over end-user-distribution than all proceeding home viewing formats.
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Addendum
If someone ever invents a teleportation device (yeah, I know...let me dream), I'll happily pour all my money into a "DVD by Portal" business to recorrect history and get us to a world that is both consumer friendly + convenient.
Such a same that digital teleportation vs physical teleportation forces us to pit convenience vs everything else.
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#873All the handwringing over Netflix subscriber loss seems to be overlooking the fact that they raised their prices - significantly. Of course they could lose subscribers from doing that. But 200k subscribers out of 150 million? Combined with the end of the pandemic and sky high inflation meaning many people have less opportunity to watch and less money to spend. The fact they raised their prices something like 20% and…
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#874Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they raised their prices - significantly Yeah, and I was right on the edge, not really watching it enough to justify the previous, cheaper, price. When they raised the price it served as a motivation to cancel it. In a 6 months I might join for a bit to watch some newer shows, then probably cancel again. Raising prices works well perhaps if people are in love with the product or there is just no other alternative.…
Yeah I’m surprised at how little I’m seeing about this. I canceled last month because of the price increase, and I would not have canceled if they hadn’t raised prices. At $9-$14 it’s fine if I only watch it once a month. But at $20 it’s no longer worth it.
Given the subsequent lack of actual 4K content, general lack of content, and the fact that I’ll be finishing the shows I’m watching means that I’ll likely join the lost-subscriber group in a week or 2.
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#875Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix
#876All the handwringing over Netflix subscriber loss seems to be overlooking the fact that they raised their prices - significantly. Of course they could lose subscribers from doing that. But 200k subscribers out of 150 million? Combined with the end of the pandemic and sky high inflation meaning many people have less opportunity to watch and less money to spend. The fact they raised their prices something like 20% and…
Netflix has good points: best ui. Good library. Their bad points is what worries me for the service: poor quality of new content. I have not seen anything that wows me for quite some time at least for my preferences (SciFi). So maybe it is for Netflix (the sky falling) things that start as a trickle might end as a flood.
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$12 a month? The cheapest Netflix plan is $10 for STANDARD definition. $15 for HD on two screens, and $20 a month for 4K resolution. I think bumping up past $15 has hurt them a lot too. $20 a month for a streaming service is outrageous.
They have different prices for different countries.
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#878Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix
#879All the handwringing over Netflix subscriber loss seems to be overlooking the fact that they raised their prices - significantly. Of course they could lose subscribers from doing that. But 200k subscribers out of 150 million? Combined with the end of the pandemic and sky high inflation meaning many people have less opportunity to watch and less money to spend. The fact they raised their prices something like 20% and…
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/24926
$9.99, $15.49, and $19.99/mo
What did their prices used to be?
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#880Earlier quoted context omitted.
Definitely a part of it for some. Me, I cancelled due to the low quality of their catalog. A decade or so ago, they had a really strong library of media. Now they don't. What they spend their money on, I find to be severely lacking.
They published some shareholder statement years back saying "The quality of the programming does not seem to correlate with how much most users consume". So there you go. I found the same, 10 years back I would read about something amazing and critically acclaimed -- and they'd have it! Now rarely do they. But, my wife and I still watch a lot of Netflix. It is the service which seems to have many things she wants to…
That's not particularly informative, though. It could be true right now. "Users" is not a group with a fixed population.
If they drive their content quality into the ground and hemorrhage users as a direct result, it would still be true that the quality of the content was uncorrelated with the amount that users consumed. Instead, quality of the content would correlate with number of users. But the users are always people who are willing to deal with whatever the current content is!
What's weird is that, as a flat-rate subscription service, they're already aware that increasing number of users is good, while increasing the amount of content that users consume is bad.