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Indian lawmaker arrested after tweet criticising Narendra Modi

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Re: Indian lawmaker arrested after tweet criticising Narendra Modi

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Post by CtznIndn »

naruvimama wrote: post #57
CtznIndn wrote: post #48

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UK is half way to Sharia?! It's not true, but even it is, why has that got to do with the criticism? There are continuous calls in India for genocide of Muslims, publicly. Past two weeks, religious processions have been undertaken by Hindu extremist orgs in front of mosques with swords and Guns, mocking Muslims. And PM of the Nation has been silent, with no calls whatsoever for peace. It's not 'funny' to criticize PM…

If you have not noticed there was rioting in Sweden, attacks on Easter parade in Spain, and multiple counts of riots and attacks on Hindu processions in India. Perhaps it is a correlation between hunger and anger, or perhaps the more regular congregation is convenient opportunity for riots.

So riots in Sweden and Spain makes Sharia halfway in UK?! More Hindus kill Hindus in India. Relative to people belonging to other religions, More Hindus attack other Hindus in India. Where is your outrage against those Hindus here? And stick to the topic at hand rather than inflammatory tangential remarks. This is not the place for that

Re: Indian lawmaker arrested after tweet criticising Narendra Modi

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Post by MrBlueIncognito »

bruceb wrote: post #50
imdhmd wrote: post #42

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> Illegal construction, encroachment on public land will sometimes get this response. Illegal construction is rampant in india. Please contextualize the act of bulldozing with the riots that happened. Let's not be blind to the clear use of power and authority to specifically root out people of a certain cast. The level of politics being played out in India is nearing to the intellect of a badly scripted bollywood mov…

And bulldozing happens in non Muslim areas as well. Sometimes even middle class homes illegally built. Just as cities in the US clear homeless encampments.

"who destroyed government or private property during a protest, strike or riot, and that if necessary, the property of the accused would be seized and auctioned to recover the money" — Narottam Mishra, Home Minister

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61042315.amp

If you’re a Muslim living in an illegally-built home and you were _accused_ of being involved in riots, they will bulldoze your life.

The extremists argue that this is well-deserved. Even if you agree with that, why should an entire family living under a shared home suffer for the actions of one person? They’re not just forcing “rioters” to be homeless, they are ruining the lives of uninvolved people. Where will all of the displaced kids go? What would you tell them when they riot because of what was done to them?

Re: Indian lawmaker arrested after tweet criticising Narendra Modi

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Post by givemeethekeys »

CtznIndn wrote: post #49
naruvimama wrote: post #45

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Guardian is not 'The west'. It's a News organization. It is neither a representative or an official mouthpiece for 'The west'. Guardian is not finger pointing as well, It's doing it's job, which is reporting the events. And the criticism is absolutely valid. This deflection and tangential remarks are not suitable for Hacker News.

Since when did Newspapers become independent?

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Post by actuator »

webartisan wrote: post #60
bruceb wrote: post #50

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And bulldozing happens in non Muslim areas as well. Sometimes even middle class homes illegally built. Just as cities in the US clear homeless encampments.

Sure, again, context matters. A lot of Delhi, and probably a lot more of Mumbai is just illegal construction, if you were to apply the law squarely, a large part of the cities would be rubble. You're (perhaps rather knowingly) ignoring the nuance here.

Agreed but this is not unique to the current federal government at all. Whoever is in power at the state or national level has used this power for their benefit.

Case in point, office of a prominent Indian actor was broken by a state government which is the political rival of the government at national level, even after a high court order preventing them from doing so.

Re: Indian lawmaker arrested after tweet criticising Narendra Modi

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Post by CtznIndn »

zozbot234 wrote: post #25
tootie wrote: post #14

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This actually has less details than the Guardian article. It just recites the government's argument. It doesn't seem that he incited violence but rather accused Modi of doing so.

The tweet baselessly accused Modi of worshiping the terrorist who killed Mohandas Gandhi. That would be highly offensive to many Indians, and easily construed as "fighting words" and inciting violence. We know this especially well because earlier fringe attempts to "rehabilitate" the perp have caused widespread offense in India; also as far as can be ascertained, Modi has not given any support whatsoever to these ext…

The Organization Modi belongs to:RSS and the political party he leads:BJP, both of them have pictures of Godse on their office walls. They garland his pictures, they celebrate the day Gandhi was assassinated and they believe Godse did the right thing by shooting Gandhi. There was nothing baseless about the tweet. Either u are intentionally trying to mislead the audience here, or you do not know enough about RSS/BJP's politics and Ideology. In the latter case, perhaps do not accuse others of 'baseless accusations'

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Post by naruvimama »

CtznIndn wrote: post #49
naruvimama wrote: post #45

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Guardian is not 'The west'. It's a News organization. It is neither a representative or an official mouthpiece for 'The west'. Guardian is not finger pointing as well, It's doing it's job, which is reporting the events. And the criticism is absolutely valid. This deflection and tangential remarks are not suitable for Hacker News.

It is one of several patterns I have just noticed in the past couple of weeks

US made a human rights comment.

Germany media made a big deal about the oil purchase, trying to deflect attention from their own increased purchase.

And as a former colonialist I couldn't expect the UK not come up with it's own act.

Collective guilt works both ways especially among democratic countries of which India is thr largest and US the oldest.

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Post by actuator »

koshergweilo wrote: post #3

I admit I'm not super familiar with India's freedom of speech, is this a backslide or has it always been like this?

No, it hasn't been a backslide, it has been always like this.

While media in the west will pick certain stories, you can find such events all across the political spectrum.

A much lauded and young people supported newcomer party used the police against the members of the party in power at the national level as soon as they came to power in a state and got hold of the police there.

It is sad but when courts won't act in time, this abuse of law will keep happening.

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Post by yutijke »

A lot of people will surely have strong opinions on topics like this. And if true, then those strong opinions and voices are needed.

But I don't think Hacker News is the right place for this since there is not even a single bit of tech relevance in this story.

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Post by gautamdivgi »

leephillips wrote: post #10
koshergweilo wrote: post #3

I admit I'm not super familiar with India's freedom of speech, is this a backslide or has it always been like this?

India never had freedom of speech. Opposition newspapers are often harassed and shut down. They have a law criminalizing offending religious feelings. This is not an exaggerated paraphrase, that’s what the law says. A scientist was convicted under this law a few years ago for demonstrating that a “weeping” statue of the Virgin Mary was not actually weeping blood. The truth was offensive, so the law applied. EDIT: I r…

Wasn’t Salman Rushdie’s satanic verses banned as well?

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Post by naruvimama »

MrBlueIncognito wrote: post #72
bruceb wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And bulldozing happens in non Muslim areas as well. Sometimes even middle class homes illegally built. Just as cities in the US clear homeless encampments.

"who destroyed government or private property during a protest, strike or riot, and that if necessary, the property of the accused would be seized and auctioned to recover the money" — Narottam Mishra, Home Minister https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61042315.amp If you’re a Muslim living in an illegally-built home and you were _accused_ of being involved in riots, they will bulldoze your life. The extremists…

Why should the country suffer the fanatic beliefs of a few rioters, have we not tried to settle that once and for all in 1947 at a huge price.
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