Google Killing Off Buzz and Code Search
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Re: Google Killing Off Buzz and Code Search
#52So, in 2005 I was involved in a company that thought "man, it would be great to build a search engine for source code". I even started putting together components for it, such as a model for finding text inside of larger documents that had statistical properties similar to code, auto-detecting the language, so you could find code snippets inside of blog posts. However, by the time we got organized enough to actually…
I see two viable reactions to this:
1. There's now a vacuum where Code Search was, and, evidently, some demand. Why not startup now?
2. Not even Google could find a viable model for Code Search, even with their resources and scale, and (ugh) synergy. Google did the research for me. (And if you think Google dropped it because they couldn't find a viable free model, and you think there's a viable paid model, see #1.)
As for startups, the phenomenon you describe seems to apply mostly to things that depend on network effect and probably advertising. If you have an idea that brings value to someone and can demonstrate a sustainable business model based on charging for that value, I would imagine that to be a much more attractive option for people who want something they can depend on than a VC funded free product startup.
Re: Google Killing Off Buzz and Code Search
#53Does anyone know what they mean by this? "we will remove iGoogle's social features on January 15, 2012. iGoogle itself, and non-social iGoogle applications, will stay as they are." Are they referring to Google Chat or are they referring to iGoogle widgets that have "social features" (e.g. Twitter widgets, Facebook widgets, etc.)?
Re: Google Killing Off Buzz and Code Search
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did they give a reason for shutting down code search? I didn't see it but think it deserves some kind of explanation of the decision.
It costs money. The kind of people who use it probably have adblock installed. It's not surprising that they would cancel it, they are a company driven by profit after all. I don't think there is really much to explain. Maybe once it had utility as a way to earn good will among developers, but presumably they don't care too much about that these days, given how little competition and how much brand recognition they h…
Then slap a Gogle Payments icon on the page and charge a dime per click. Or a nickel. They can make a pretty penny, no pun intended :)
Re: Google Killing Off Buzz and Code Search
#55And while DuckDuckGo has a much nicer search frontend, it's Bing-fed index sadly sucks, making it no universal replacement for Google's declining frontend.
Re: Google Killing Off Buzz and Code Search
#56So, in 2005 I was involved in a company that thought "man, it would be great to build a search engine for source code". I even started putting together components for it, such as a model for finding text inside of larger documents that had statistical properties similar to code, auto-detecting the language, so you could find code snippets inside of blog posts. However, by the time we got organized enough to actually…
Which means that both our company, and any other company, that thought it had a sustainable model for running such a project, and at this point would probably be "pretty awesome", never started, and we are all suddenly thrust back into 2005, unable to search for code. I see two viable reactions to this: 1. There's now a vacuum where Code Search was, and, evidently, some demand. Why not startup now? 2. Not even Google…
Instead, I am whining as a user of Google Code search that we have just lost six years of progress on searching source code. Having a company that starts today in this space, while they will have an easier time (due to advances) starting and getting up quickly, is drastically different than a company that started six years ago, and might have a large index, advanced algorithms, etc. at this point.
2) I don't think Google even tries to make things sustainable. During all of these "Google shuts down X" that have been happened recently, some posts here by ex-Google people indicated that Google internally didn't even have reporting on per-project costs... hopefully now that they see how much certain things cost they will cause less market-level problems going forward.
(edit: I forgot to add this point) I mean, seriously: Google, a company that makes all of its money on advertisements, and for whom ads permeate everything, doesn't have ads on Google Code Search, and AFAIR never did. If you do absolutely nothing else for such a service, as Google, you'd put some ads on it; even Gmail has ads, and that's a place where people find them creepy.
I therefore simply cannot believe that they actually are looking at this project as something that is worth their time to make sustainable: they are a giant company with a thousand things to do; this was cool one day, maybe useful to some engineers internally, and they kind of just did it, and dumped the result on the ecosystem, where it created a little vortex-of-free-and-good that eventually has collapsed into a singularity, and will be gone in the next couple months, leaving us with the "vacuum" that you mention.
Meanwhile, it might simply be because even if it was successful, the userbase would be tiny, and the revenue generated would be "not enough to justify the lack of focus" (Google is getting behind the whole "more wood, fewer arrows" thing lately); whereas, to a small company, it might have enough margins to sustain a few people, which is "enough to bother with" at that level.
~3) The point here isn't that people who care about sustainability should be using Pinboard.in instead of del.icio.us (although they should, and those that didn't got burned at the last minute): it is that society is worse off because there are people in the ecosystem who are operating unsustainably.
Re: Google Killing Off Buzz and Code Search
#57I'm very disappointed to see google code search go. It was very useful (for me at least, don't read this as a comment on the whole committee / process) in finishing the new C++ standard, and answering the question "Well, did anyone ever really write code like X?" (the answer was usually yes). Buzz makes a lot of sense, although I imagine some users will be disappointed it couldn't be more 'cleanly' imported into goog…
Same here on google code. I have used it on multiple occasions to find out how users are using a class or API to get a feel for what API was actually used for. Not to mention when learning a new API having the ability to see real world usage was always helpful. Not to mention the ease of finding apps that had security issues in codebases after it was found. Anyone know of a replacement for this?
Re: Google Killing Off Buzz and Code Search
#58The current search API's just don't cut it for proper research (for example: just 64 results per query and 1000 queries a day [1] and the "estimatedResultCount" being off by a factor of 10-100 [2]).
I believe spammers were abusing the Google translate API to spin articles in different languages. This contributed to it being closed down. I don't hope that Google's search API is crippled to thwart the bad apples. Because then those that follow the TOS (don't crawl Google's results) have little recourse, but to halt their research (Yahoo Boss and Bing Api give little solace).
[1] Too few for either deep analysis or learning queries like:
"X is a *" and "X, such as *,"
[2] Estimated results for "test". With API: 257.000.000 vs. manual search 2.750.000.000Re: Google Killing Off Buzz and Code Search
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which means that both our company, and any other company, that thought it had a sustainable model for running such a project, and at this point would probably be "pretty awesome", never started, and we are all suddenly thrust back into 2005, unable to search for code. I see two viable reactions to this: 1. There's now a vacuum where Code Search was, and, evidently, some demand. Why not startup now? 2. Not even Google…
1) I am not whining as an entrepreneur that I did not start the company in 2005: I did other things that I am quite proud of, and which frankly have probably been more interesting and successful than having worked on that code searching mechanism. Instead, I am whining as a user of Google Code search that we have just lost six years of progress on searching source code. Having a company that starts today in this spac…
For example, it's hard to say whether the six years of code search we got from google was better or worse than what a sustainable startup could have provided. And if was better, how do you measure that against its sudden disappearance until there's some viable replacement (if there will ever be one). It's also hard to say whether it was ever possible to run it sustainably.
I think for every code search, there's an equally unsustainable (at first) Google product that provides a lot of value for free to users.
Yes, sometimes it means that they kill opportunities for others who could possible make sustainable businesses, but it also means that they can run something unsustainably for some period of time to see whether it's worth it to even make sustainable.
It's hard to say whether overall for society there have been more cons than pros. Anecdotally, my experience is that Google has provided me a lot of value for free.