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Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by pc86 »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #283
i_like_waiting wrote: post #237

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From perspective of fairly young hiring manager (25y old) it really depended on candidate. If you changed industries and you want to come in, more than fair. If you have 10+YoE and I know we don't play that much, why would you want to work with us? I am bit wary if those people are teachable. Please don't take it offensively, I just want to understand better philosophy of people who do only lateral moves for 8+ years…

If I were a senior manager and I heard that coming from you, you'd hit the unemployment turnstile faster than you could blink. You're being paid to determine whether they can do the job well and are a good team fit. If you don't understand that, then you aren't capable of conducting a quality interview, and you shouldn't be in that position at all.

What do you expect from someone who wonders if old people are teachable?

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Post by joe5150 »

jrsj wrote: post #96
colpabar wrote: post #83

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Sadly this would probably work. Bonus points if you tell people your pronouns are they/them, HR departments really can’t get enough of that.

unless you're applying for a job in HR, I don't see how HR's feelings on your pronoun use would make a difference to your job prospects.

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Post by Manuel_D »

endisneigh wrote: post #263
Manuel_D wrote: post #251

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Women's representation in tech fields varies from the low 20 percent to high teens. It can vary since "tech" is a nebulous designator. Computer science: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/chart-of-the-day-the-declinin... Electrical engineering: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d15/tables/dt15_325.45.a... Mechanical engineering: https://www.bu.edu/eng/about/dean-lutchen/engineerings-gende... .

And this? > Which matches the rates at which women indicate tech as their preferred field in high school and middle school.

> A recent survey by Junior Achievement conducted by the research group, Engine, showed that 9 percent of girls between ages 13 to 17 are interested in careers in STEM — Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics — which was conducted from April 16-21 to about 1,004 teenagers.

> This is down from 11 percent from a similar survey in 2018. Teen boys’ interest in STEM careers increased to 27 percent, up from 24 percent in 2018.

https://www.govtech.com/education/Female-Interest-in-STEM-Ed...

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Post by jrsj »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #273
jrsj wrote: post #206

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It didn’t take long after Silicon Valley was no longer on the air for the entire industry to become more absurd than its parody. I really don’t think any of this is sustainable either. Latinos in particular seem very opposed to this stuff & given that they are part of the fastest growing demographic in the country I don’t see how political support for policies like this can be maintained.

These politics only appeal to ~10% of the population anyway, and they aren't favored by a majority of any ethnicity. This stuff isn't mainstream because voters like it (which is why it never makes its way into any real laws), it's mainstream because the cultural and media elites like it and they don't have to trifle with a democratic process to impose it. Corporate DEI stuff is also useful to "prove" that an employer…

I guess what I mean is that I believe this will become a political issue again & the backlash will be strong enough that cultural & media elites will no longer be able to maintain it.

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Post by theodric »

jeffhuys wrote: post #132
colpabar wrote: post #58

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The only person who would gain anything by saying that would be a white man, who would just be told that his opinion isn’t important because he’s a white man.

Which is racist.

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Post by colinmhayes »

lkxijlewlf wrote: post #173
mikepurvis wrote: post #102

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It's kind of ageism-adjacent, but I wonder if some of it is a bias that expects that past 40 you shouldn't really be needing to apply to jobs by resume drops any more. So like, seeing that type of application is in an indication that the person's first twenty years of career haven't yielded the kinds of achievements and contact network that have bumped them out of the hustle and into the world where they no longer be…

> It's kind of ageism-adjacent, but I wonder if some of it is a bias that expects that past 40 you shouldn't really be needing to apply to jobs by resume drops any more. I really wish people would stop this. I don't really keep in touch with many coworkers due to time. My friends tend to come from outside of work and they're not software devs. It definitely is age-ism adjacent; having to "network" to get a job is muc…

> I don't really keep in touch with many coworkers due to time.

It's not hard to connect with people on Linkedin, even if you haven't seen them in years.

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Post by jimbokun »

eldaisfish wrote: post #133
FFRefresh wrote: post #55

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I can also attest to this, I just left a pretty well-known tech company who leaned hard into DEI in the wake of the summer 2020 protests. The exec team essentially set up quotas, with every race+gender group getting priority over white males. Execs were given bonuses if they increased the percentage of non-white male employees. The crazy thing was that white males were NOT over-represented in the first place. 2 years…

comparing to the population at large isn't the most valid thing to do. Many fields are dominated by women - nursing to name just one. Even within nursing, there are a lot of latino and phillipino nurses. by your logic, the largest ethnic group of nurses in a country like the US or UK should be white women. There are many more factors at play here.

So are you saying DEI logic is overly simplistic and doesn't take the complexities of the real world into account?

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Post by ponow »

bendbro wrote: post #224
oppositelock wrote: post #130

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I'm almost 50. I've been working in tech since 1996, and at this point, despite being a strong and seasoned engineer, I'm getting comments like, "it's different now", or "back in your day", etc, and the very young engineers fresh from school are the ones throwing this around. Those with a few years of experience under their belt don't. It's really disheartening, but it's also my job to train these bozos and turn them…

I'm sure there is ageism from younger devs, but be sure not to confuse it with respect. In my experience, younger devs (like me at the time) were always excited to learn from older devs.

But what if that older dev is only at par with the younger one: will she or he be treated equally, if everything else was equal? In other words, is an old person expected to compensate for her or his lack of youth by an excess of wisdom?
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