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I think it’s hilarious that you think were all white men
I mean I don't think I ever implied that, but regardless I think we need to care about those who are most the disadvantaged with a certain level of priority.
Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
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Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why the Civil Rights Act passed when the congressman from Virginia (can't remember the name) tried to kill it by including women in the bill. A law designed to save the endangered black family was instead coopted to boost the career prospects of successful women, so I guess the poison pill worked despite the bill passing.
The black family was only endangered because of those very same people who wrote all sorts of asinine rules for the social safety net programs that penalized stable households, penalized married couples and penalized above the table jobs. Were they poor? Sure. Were they marginalized? You bet. But the single mother, the child without a father figure and the idle black man were not serious issues, let alone stereotypes…
Also horribly flawed. In several states if you are not white your resume is just thrown in the trash. There are several studies on this. People simply do not like others who they do not see as equals or as similar to them.
Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
#113Anecdotally I have seen this in person at a large tech startup. The recruiting team was all women, mainly white, and they were incredibly cliquey. Every hire was a woman. Men were turned down with vague excuses like “not a culture fit.” All while aggressively pushing DEI initiatives and interventions on the tech side. I don’t think the irony of this ever crossed their minds.
"Your margin is my opportunity." Is this behavior significantly reducing the startup's competitiveness? If so, this should be exploitable by a competitor. Assuming you don't have the bandwidth to directly work for or advise a competitor of this type, you might still be able to benefit as an investor. If not... I have a hard time getting worked up about this. It's contrary to the dominant narrative, but if this female…
,,Is this behavior significantly reducing the startup's competitiveness?''
No, if money is used politically. In a free market you would be right, but with the amount of money printing going on, we're not living in a free market.
Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
#114At my last company all hands, our CFO was talking about "increasing diversity" at our company. The entire C-Level or our entire company are people of colour. 4 out of 5 department heads are PoC. Customer success team are majority PoC and mostly women. Out of our entire engineering department, there are only 2 "white" people - myself (anglo-Canadian), and another man of Swedish ethnicity..though I suppose all white me…
> Engineering is the only male dominated department, we used to have a few women developers but they left for better opportunities and hiring is currently frozen. Other than C-level, what's the best-paid department/position in a tech company? Food for thought, if you were take the total of money paid to men vs women in your company, and really think hard about it, how would that balance out? Even if you took C-suite,…
But if hiring for that department is frozen, as GP stated, how do you expect it to be fixed?
Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
#115During my career, I've seen enough discrimination in the name of DEI as well. But what bothers me more is the ageism. The number of times an old person has been rejected from a job is too damn high. The reasons have always been "he may not work well with young people", "seniority complex", "he is over qualified" etc. Most of the times, they were more than qualified. I fear when I am into 40s or 50s, I will face the s…
As I have gotten older, my pay has continued to increase. "Over qualified" means that I want too much money. (I don't apologize for that. I bring more value than I did 20 years ago. Either you have a use for that - enough of a use that you're willing to pay for it - or you don't.)
Also, if you've got someone with 20 years experience, and they're willing to accept the same pay as someone with 5 years experience... are they really willing? Or are they going to bail for more money at the first opportunity? If you hire them, you have to worry about how long they'll stick.
So "more than qualified" can be a real thing, not just a discrimination thing.
Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
#116Anecdotally I have seen this in person at a large tech startup. The recruiting team was all women, mainly white, and they were incredibly cliquey. Every hire was a woman. Men were turned down with vague excuses like “not a culture fit.” All while aggressively pushing DEI initiatives and interventions on the tech side. I don’t think the irony of this ever crossed their minds.
My favorite is when, during a quarterly DEI meeting, the DEI team would show a slide with the pie chart for "diversity when hiring last quarter" - "We hired 70% women! Yoohoo! we're super diverse!" :)
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#117In the US, male nurses are highly valued. I am not sure why this is not so in Sweden. On the other hand, people are wary of male preschool teachers. These two fields seem to be equivalent in Sweden. In the US - Cleaners are not well paid. I am not sure why men want to join this field. The best cleaner I ever had left as soon as she landed a better paying job. I see plenty of husband and wife teams where the wife does…
Cleaning had, at least in theory, lots of flexibility.
Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
#118Anecdotally I have seen this in person at a large tech startup. The recruiting team was all women, mainly white, and they were incredibly cliquey. Every hire was a woman. Men were turned down with vague excuses like “not a culture fit.” All while aggressively pushing DEI initiatives and interventions on the tech side. I don’t think the irony of this ever crossed their minds.
HR department at a previous workplace was like that. All women, all friends, all worked with each other or were relatives of someone... their personal lives were entirely intertwined with work. Most weren't at work most days and this was when they had a no work from home policy years ago. Loud personal calls all day long. I wasn't even in that department and the drama that came from it was exhausting. They would ofte…
My team goes through something similar with our sister company that's in the same building. Their product is made better by being ran by social types so their organization is entirely personable, outgoing, and very social. They constantly complain that we don't join them in multi-org events but none of us (including our manager) want to join them. If I had to consistently have small talk with a bunch of socialites, I would quit.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
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> intelligence distribution skews more male at the higher end Really? You think there are inherently more intelligent men than women?
It's open for debate, but there's the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis
Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
#120Anecdotally I have seen this in person at a large tech startup. The recruiting team was all women, mainly white, and they were incredibly cliquey. Every hire was a woman. Men were turned down with vague excuses like “not a culture fit.” All while aggressively pushing DEI initiatives and interventions on the tech side. I don’t think the irony of this ever crossed their minds.
A lot of tech companies prioritize hiring women (whether officially or not) in roles like HR and admin to make their overall diversity numbers look better.