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Nice straw white man.
Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
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Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
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> intelligence distribution skews more male at the higher end Really? You think there are inherently more intelligent men than women?
> Really? You think there are inherently more intelligent men than women?
Uh, yes. This is a well-established fact.
Women have two X chromosomes, both of which get used [1], and men only have one. So this should be your baseline expectation. In women, that genetic information used to construct the brain, gets, loosely speaking, averaged together.
It is of course also consistent with every empirical observation. E.g. the on the math SAT, 1.6x as many men score 700-800, 2x as many men score 800, despite the fact that the school system is biased against boys. And on grade school and high school math contests (such as the AMC, the AIME), the male/female ratio increases more and more the higher the scores go, up to 89% male before sample size was too small for me to get a read on the proportion. Of the top 10 Jeopardy champions, 9 out of 10 are male.
[1] that both X chromosomes get used as they do in the rest of the body is something you wouldn't want to just assume -- among various ways to verify this, see https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/21/science/seeing-x-chromoso...
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I think it’s hilarious that you think were all white men
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#94Throwaway. I'm happy to have more women in tech and hope it occurs or continues. However, virtually everyone recruiting in tech has observed some toxic diversity initiatives, I would venture. Some examples I have seen personally or one degree removed from me. - pressure on HMs to hire more women despite 95% of applicants being male - people in interview panels openly saying "but he's a white man" / "do we want to hir…
>people in interview panels openly saying "but he's a white man" / "do we want to hire more white men" etc. Isn't this illegal?
Who is going to speak up? I've worked in these environments before and it's career suicide to object to DEI discrimination.
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does this require a sarcasm tag or is this serious?
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#96During my career, I've seen enough discrimination in the name of DEI as well. But what bothers me more is the ageism. The number of times an old person has been rejected from a job is too damn high. The reasons have always been "he may not work well with young people", "seniority complex", "he is over qualified" etc. Most of the times, they were more than qualified. I fear when I am into 40s or 50s, I will face the s…
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Sadly this would probably work. Bonus points if you tell people your pronouns are they/them, HR departments really can’t get enough of that.
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This is why the Civil Rights Act passed when the congressman from Virginia (can't remember the name) tried to kill it by including women in the bill. A law designed to save the endangered black family was instead coopted to boost the career prospects of successful women, so I guess the poison pill worked despite the bill passing.
The black family was only endangered because of those very same people who wrote all sorts of asinine rules for the social safety net programs that penalized stable households, penalized married couples and penalized above the table jobs. Were they poor? Sure. Were they marginalized? You bet. But the single mother, the child without a father figure and the idle black man were not serious issues, let alone stereotypes…
Seems like they purposefully created people now dependent on these government programs in order to secure electorate.
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This is my observation as well. Most women don't want to be hired on account of some eng diversity target. It gets really toxic when a company is simultaneously engaging in this kind of discrimination while also harshly cracking down on anyone who points it out. In 2015 I worked at Dropbox when DEI discrimination was ramping up. Among other things, we only interviewed boot camp grads if they were diverse. We also hav…
In general it’s also a problem with what is considered diverse. If you’re a white man from a poor family with no college education, the policy is to explicitly discriminate against you. If you’re a white woman from an upper middle class background, you’re considered diverse and given advantages despite the fact that you could have gone into any field you wanted, could probably afford to switch on a whim, and don’t ha…
Yes this is what bugs me. I and older "white males" were mentioned in DEI surveys as something to fix, by an org full of mostly younger and more privileged backgrounds. AFAIK I was the only person in engineering who had been on welfare as a child, literally lived next to a toxic waste dump, etc. When I was a kid, us "nerds" were picked on/beat up for liking computers. This sort of thing really turned me off on most corporate DEI, as it's frequently not about real diversity.
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This is my observation as well. Most women don't want to be hired on account of some eng diversity target. It gets really toxic when a company is simultaneously engaging in this kind of discrimination while also harshly cracking down on anyone who points it out. In 2015 I worked at Dropbox when DEI discrimination was ramping up. Among other things, we only interviewed boot camp grads if they were diverse. We also hav…
In general it’s also a problem with what is considered diverse. If you’re a white man from a poor family with no college education, the policy is to explicitly discriminate against you. If you’re a white woman from an upper middle class background, you’re considered diverse and given advantages despite the fact that you could have gone into any field you wanted, could probably afford to switch on a whim, and don’t ha…
Every totalitarianism claims the opposite virtues, right ? Dictatorship are always named "People's *". Woke diversity is the exact polar opposite of any reasonable meaning of the word.
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> intelligence distribution skews more male at the higher end Really? You think there are inherently more intelligent men than women?
You think it's equal? That seems so statistically unlikely I could only describe it as a miracle.
Exactly equal down to the single individual, yes that would be unlikely. Broadly the same, seems perfectly logical to me.