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Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by rubyist5eva »

At my last company all hands, our CFO was talking about "increasing diversity" at our company.

The entire C-Level or our entire company are people of colour. 4 out of 5 department heads are PoC. Customer success team are majority PoC and mostly women. Out of our entire engineering department, there are only 2 "white" people - myself (anglo-Canadian), and another man of Swedish ethnicity..though I suppose all white men are the same...

Engineering is the only male dominated department, we used to have a few women developers but they left for better opportunities and hiring is currently frozen. 2/3 of our QA department are women and PoC.

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by spzb »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #33
toolz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name any of these male dominated companies that hire men disproportionately to the gender demographics of their applicants/interviewees? The issue isn't the distribution of employees, it's whether there is sexism present or not and the first thing you'd probably want for evidence of sexism is disproportionate hiring of a demographic compared to their applicant/interviewee demographic. Just because something i…

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> intelligence distribution skews more male at the higher end

Really? You think there are inherently more intelligent men than women?

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by simmerup »

rmbyrro wrote: post #18
throwadogabone2 wrote: post #3

Anecdotally I have seen this in person at a large tech startup. The recruiting team was all women, mainly white, and they were incredibly cliquey. Every hire was a woman. Men were turned down with vague excuses like “not a culture fit.” All while aggressively pushing DEI initiatives and interventions on the tech side. I don’t think the irony of this ever crossed their minds.

So what, let'em choose to work with whoever they want. If it's all women, so be it. Only men? Whatever. I don't wanna work in either of these organizations. I think the best answer to these divisive, sexist or racist behaviors is to show them in practice they're dumb, kick their ass in the market. An open-minded, welcoming organization is going to attract the best minds. Collectively, these people will kick those ide…

This is a privileged take that only works for people who have options to shop around for jobs.

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by gizajob »

In my experience, I've always found it quite strange that HR and recruitment is a field that seems to me to be female dominated, at least in the part of the UK where I am, and I can't help but feel that the imbalance at this level of the process reflects who gets hired.

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by basisword »

throwadogabone2 wrote: post #3

Anecdotally I have seen this in person at a large tech startup. The recruiting team was all women, mainly white, and they were incredibly cliquey. Every hire was a woman. Men were turned down with vague excuses like “not a culture fit.” All while aggressively pushing DEI initiatives and interventions on the tech side. I don’t think the irony of this ever crossed their minds.

I’ve seen the same anecdotally. Marketing in particular at multiple companies was all white women whereas other departments (even stereotypically non-diverse departments like engineering) where a mix of genders and races.

It was reinforced every time there was a self congratulatory post in the company wide channel referring to the “marketing ladies” great work.

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by antiverse »

throwaway0wha8h wrote: post #39

Throwaway. I'm happy to have more women in tech and hope it occurs or continues. However, virtually everyone recruiting in tech has observed some toxic diversity initiatives, I would venture. Some examples I have seen personally or one degree removed from me. - pressure on HMs to hire more women despite 95% of applicants being male - people in interview panels openly saying "but he's a white man" / "do we want to hir…

>- people in interview panels openly saying "but he's a white man" / "do we want to hire more white men" etc.

Not surprised to hear people saying this, but am surprised that nobody brings that up as a plainly racist/sexist thing when it is said. Bystander effect?

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by jedimastert »

This comment section is gonna be a RIDE...

To actually comment on the topic at hand: the reason there's still male-dominated spaces is that women are weeded out far earlier than the hiring stage. See, for example, statistics about women in STEM and especially computer science and realize that hiring managers don't even have to be sexist for male-dominated fields to exist, even though they still are.

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