ISPs can’t find any judges who will block California net neutrality law

Post by imtringued » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 2:24 PM UTC

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Do networks not fill up and get congested?

Yes, but the problem is on the ISP side. For example, lets assume a building with 10 apartments has guaranteed 100Mbit connection to the building. If ISP was honest, they would sell 10Mbit connection to each apartment. What they do (at least here) is sell 100Mbit to each apartment and hope their usage isn't all at the same time since it can't support it. I ended up paying more for a 200mbit connection straight to my…

Post by jaywalk » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 2:27 PM UTC

imtringued wrote: post #262

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There isn't a consumer ISP anywhere that doesn't oversubscribe bandwidth. It makes zero sense to give a residential connection dedicated bandwidth.

That's an absurd proposition. If you can't guarantee to not oversubscribe at least 10mbit/s on a 100mbit/s plan what's the point of advertising it as such?

Post by throwaway894345 » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 2:29 PM UTC

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Personally I would rather have a healthy competitive landscape than NN, but I’ll take the latter in a pinch.

Net neutrality has real impacts. It wasn't that many years ago where weirdly Netflix was basically unusable on FIOS. And of course it worked like a dream over a VPN. Verizon had minimal peering with Netflix to extract fees for "pushing" data and because Netflix competed with their cable TV business. Competition is a trickier issue because in most cases overbuilds make little economic sense. The best situation is prob…

Post by imtringued » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 2:32 PM UTC

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I remember a pretty ridiculous image going around that depicted a hypothetical Internet service package that was sold to you on a site by site basis, for instance you would pay $20 a month and have access to the top 100, another $10 for social media, and so forth. Given the length of time the Internet has been around, and a complete absence of any of these doom and gloom stories coming to pass despite no such regulat…

Post by throwaway894345 » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

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Personally I would rather have a healthy competitive landscape than NN, but I’ll take the latter in a pinch.

If ISPs could do anything to the Internet content their subscribers requested, including block it, zero-rate it, or modify it, how many ISPs would a competitive landscape need in order to guarantee there is at least one that performs no blocking at all? I doubt poles could physically handle the number of lines to ISPs that are needed to guarantee this.