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Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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I'm paying for a Netflix account that's shared between 4 of my friends. If they crack down on account sharing, I certainly won't continue subscribing and I doubt my friends would either.

I mean, it is against the terms of use. With that being said, you also pay for a certain number of "screens" so it seems like the terms would enforce themselves.

Netflix is old enough now that a lot of subscribers now have children that are in college or have graduated. My daughter is in college, and she definitely uses my netflix credentials. At what point does Netflix feel it is required for her to have her own subscription?

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

#52

> Instead of producing two mediocre shows and an algorithmically designed movie every single week Thank you. The only reason I break my Netflix embargo (and log into my profile on a friends account) is so I know what some viral meme is about. Nobody[1] talks about or remembers shows from there two weeks later. [1] this is hyperbole validated by 200,000 - 2,000,000 others seeing the light

> Instead of producing two mediocre shows and an algorithmically designed movie every single week

I'm actually kinda torn about that statement. While i usually prefer shows by other studios for quality, i've watched some Netflix Originals that were rather good, and especially some "foreign language" ones that i would most likely never have watched otherwise.

Most of the Netflix Originals are not huge budget productions, but especially their foreign stuff sometimes proves that less is more. They tell interesting stories in "good enough" settings for them to be enjoyable.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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What actually happened is that Netflix is one of relatively few companies who have put out honest assessments in a time of severe economic stress. Also their competition has been growing for years. That's it.

People are so used to having smoke blown up their asses that when someone tells them honestly about slightly negative news, they get confused.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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post #31

I'm paying for a Netflix account that's shared between 4 of my friends. If they crack down on account sharing, I certainly won't continue subscribing and I doubt my friends would either.

What if Netflix had a "family" plan for say $15 - $20 a month?

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

#55

Interesting analysis. I find it interesting that so many people spend so much time watching tv in the first place. Growing up, I was one of those people but about a decade ago I lost interest in pretty much anything on television. There are certain shows that I will watch on occasion that get me hooked, but I usually struggle to find anything that is actually worth my time and end up just turning the tv off after sur…

I haven't "watched television" in over 20 years. At the same time, the internet (YouTube to a large degree) has crept in to steal away my time.

I am thankful though that YouTube sucked so bad for so long because I spent a lot of time with my kids when they were young, reading to them, biking with them, taking them on road trips. Cutting the cord was the idea when my first daughter was born - to have the kids grow up without television (we would put on over-the-air PBS kid's shows when they were young but it was pretty much only hotels stays when they would see Sponge Bob or whatever, ha ha).

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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post #17

Netflix is now a mature business that stopped growing. https://app.finclout.io/t/NBbmd0A

The graph in your link appears to show an operating profit of over $6 billion. What has gone wrong with our world that making a 6 billion dollar a year profit is considered a problem?

> What has gone wrong with our world that making a 6 billion dollar a year profit is considered a problem?

It is not considered a problem by anyone other than those who were invested in Netflix equity and expected it to be at a higher price.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Netflix always had a terrible business model dependent on transient properties of the media environment. I thought from the beginning they were not masters of their own fate (remember Redbox's hack to get around publisher restrictions? Weird streaming windows even from the streaming era's earliest days?) and once they started spending the big bucks to try and stay afloat it was clear they were doomed. They were only in "FAANG" to make the acronym funny.

I expect the entire streaming business to follow the cable TV model: 1 - start with a paid, high quality and/or increased supply without ads; 2 - bleed ads into some of the streams because the first stage was unsustainable; 3 - race to the bottom with bundles, because the individual streams are too expensive. Expect Comcast to be the big winner here through a roll up and cross-sale of carriage to their cable channels into streaming bundles (because aggregated bundle fees will provide at least some revenue without the cost of running your own streaming platform.

Youtube ought to win this battle but have to date demonstrated little competence. Comcast is the superpredator.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Interesting analysis. I find it interesting that so many people spend so much time watching tv in the first place. Growing up, I was one of those people but about a decade ago I lost interest in pretty much anything on television. There are certain shows that I will watch on occasion that get me hooked, but I usually struggle to find anything that is actually worth my time and end up just turning the tv off after sur…

My belief is that, like any media, there is a massive backlog of good content. When you get through the part of the backlog you enjoy, you have to either wait for content you enjoy to come out (slow!) or explore less enjoyable (to you) content. Back in high school, I felt "behind" in my cultural wisdom, so I spent an entire summer watching a huge list of TV shows and movies. Now, shows I truly enjoy are few and far b…

My belief is that when I am 85 and barely functioning physically, I will have ample time to catch up on the "good content".

I hear The Wire is/was a good show. We'll see....

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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post #17

Netflix is now a mature business that stopped growing. https://app.finclout.io/t/NBbmd0A

The graph in your link appears to show an operating profit of over $6 billion. What has gone wrong with our world that making a 6 billion dollar a year profit is considered a problem?

What has gone wrong with our world that making a 6 billion dollar a year profit is considered a problem?

Because it is a problem.

Firstly, it's a problem because stock prices are a measure of predicted future value. The profit today is mostly irrelevant. In order to make a profit on shares the business has to be in a position to do better in the future. If it doesn't then people won't believe it'll do better even farther in to the future, so they won't bid more for the shares than they're worth today. That means investors can't make a profit. If you bought Netflix shares in the past you'll lose money. That's a problem.

Secondly, and in my opinion more importantly, Netflix (and every other tech unicorn) use their shares as a hiring incentive. If the shares are going the wrong way then good hires will refuse offers and go elsewhere. A big chunk of renumeration in tech is predicated on people getting stock instead of cash because that's worth more to the individual and cheaper for the business. If that fails then the business has to start dipping in to that $6bn profit to replace people who leave, or to acquire businesses, or just to maintain the status quo.

It isn't hard to imagine a scenario where a $6bn profit turns into a loss within a decade or less. The driving force behind people saying Netflix has a problem is that they're predicting that the future of the company isn't good.

I mean, they might be wrong and Netflix might be fine, and ultimately even if things go badly Netflix is never going to "fail" because it'll get bought long before that happens, but if you hold Netflix stock it's entirely reasonable to be worried despite the healthy profit they make.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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The thing I find interesting with Netflix is how much they spend on content and what a terrible rate of return it has. Look at Apple TV+, they're absolutely TINY compared to Netflix in both library size and money spent on new production, but they have arguably more hits than Netflix. Like, since when has any drama on Netflix been as buzzy or as good as Severance on Apple TV+? When was the last time they had a comedy success like Ted Lasso?

They have a couple of things that are very good (including Russian Doll, which is better than the article gives it credit for). But it's the ratio the that's troubling: the value of [good shows] / [shows produced] is absurdly much lower for Netflix than for Apple TV+, HBO Max or Disney+. All their spending seems to result in is endless mediocre True Crime documentaries that try recapture the magic of the first season of Making a Murderer, and the occasional golden nugget you binge in a weekend.

The article makes a big deal of the binging thing, and I agree it's a terrible model compared to weekly releases. But I feel like Netflix's real problem is that they just don't make enough good stuff.

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