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Re: Ask HN: People who use different emails everywhere, who sold you to spammers?

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Most spam I receive are dictionary attacks, or emails harvested from my web site and places where I make it available.

Such as my profile here on HN.

But there some that must have been leaked or sold from specific services. These include, but are not limited to: USwitch, Linked-In, Disqus, and a forum to support LGBTQIA+ people in academia.

There are others where I have strong suspicions and some evidence, but where it's not airtight.

Re: Ask HN: People who use different emails everywhere, who sold you to spammers?

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I mostly use one single address, but I can tell you exactly where all the spam comes from: idiots whose name is the same as mine. They give my address as if it belonged to them. Probably they created addresses like narag33@server and they believe that it's narag@server instead. So not only I receive all the spam from dubious sites that they suscribed to, but also their legitimate mail from lists and friends. My names…

Facebook is the worst: https://imgur.com/jQj1EwE I do not have a facebook account

Someone did the same thing with Facebook to a person I know. She finally went to Facebook, selected "forgot password", changed it and deleted the account. Problem solved.

Re: Ask HN: People who use different emails everywhere, who sold you to spammers?

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Similar scenario for me... countless accounts throughout various services, newsletter subscriptions, paid services/subscriptions, tickets, loan requests and confirmations, house deeds & ... I have tried finding the numerous people throughout the world with the same name and surname as me and notifying them and asking them kindly to update their contacts or to stop using mine (name.surname@gmail scenario), some work,…

I have a statistically very uncommon name (there’s like 3 other people with my name who have showed up on the internet) and I’ve still run into this because I use first name.surname@gmail.com. I can’t imagine what it’s like for whoever uses the same naming convention for a super common name.

I receive emails almost every day for various people with my same name in other parts of the US, the UK, and Australia. For ones that matter, like job interviews, I try to let people know they have the wrong email address.

Re: Ask HN: People who use different emails everywhere, who sold you to spammers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With SMS, you can reply with STOP and it should take you off that list. Repeat for a few campaigns and hopefully you are done for that election cycle and get less/none in the next cycle.

Where I live, the political spam appears to be crowd sourced. Rarely is the same number used more than a couple of times. Most of it is of the form "Hi, this is Robyn from the Justice Democrats. Can we rely on your vote on Tuesday for candidate so-and-so?". Asking them to stop only stops that one person from spamming. As an aside, it's interesting to see the large difference in SMS campaigning between parties. I get…

It's demographic. Almost all of my SMS and phone spam is from the GOP. For whatever reason, about 15 years ago, they started thinking I'm my grandmother when I was the process of moving across the country and stayed with her for a week, and have been relentlessly telling Dora about the downfall of America if she doesn't do something ever since. Amazingly, she is still alive, but nearly 90, and I imagine they will continue doing this long after she is gone, spamming the wrong number of a corpse.

This was actually the only political spam I got for most of my life until my wife got mad at me for never voting and I finally registered. Then the Democrats must have trawled the public records and they started spamming me, too. I'm so glad to have participated in democracy. Things are clearly much better in 2022 than in 2019 because I voted.

Re: Ask HN: People who use different emails everywhere, who sold you to spammers?

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post #216
post #23

I mostly use one single address, but I can tell you exactly where all the spam comes from: idiots whose name is the same as mine. They give my address as if it belonged to them. Probably they created addresses like narag33@server and they believe that it's narag@server instead. So not only I receive all the spam from dubious sites that they suscribed to, but also their legitimate mail from lists and friends. My names…

Quite gratifying to read that I'm not alone in this. I was really early into Gmail so have first.last@ and get a lot of stuff emailed to me that is exactly as you describe - not spam, just mistaken address. Hotel reservations, golf clubs, Republican party bullshit, hilarious copies of order receipts from gun shops... (The last one of the above I replied to - it was an order for a rifle scope. I sent what I thought wa…

I have the same with Gmail. I get lots of email for firstlast@ because someone can't be bothered to remember the numbers after their username. Then I have also gotten coffee receipts for a cardiologist (he likes Major Dickason's blend), wedding invitations, boating newsletters, and even modeling opportunities in a different country. It amazes me how many people either don't know their email address or can't imagine someone else might have a similar name.

Most of the organizations and individuals sending the emails are accommodating. Then there are the likes of Discord, that require you to confirm that you would like to delete "your" account, when it's not even yours. Nevermind that I have no desire to delete someone else's account. They also refuse to write you in English when you tell them you prefer it over Spanish. Luckily; I speak that too.

Re: Ask HN: People who use different emails everywhere, who sold you to spammers?

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post #216
post #23

I mostly use one single address, but I can tell you exactly where all the spam comes from: idiots whose name is the same as mine. They give my address as if it belonged to them. Probably they created addresses like narag33@server and they believe that it's narag@server instead. So not only I receive all the spam from dubious sites that they suscribed to, but also their legitimate mail from lists and friends. My names…

Quite gratifying to read that I'm not alone in this. I was really early into Gmail so have first.last@ and get a lot of stuff emailed to me that is exactly as you describe - not spam, just mistaken address. Hotel reservations, golf clubs, Republican party bullshit, hilarious copies of order receipts from gun shops... (The last one of the above I replied to - it was an order for a rifle scope. I sent what I thought wa…

Or maybe they were out- UKing you :p

Re: Ask HN: People who use different emails everywhere, who sold you to spammers?

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post #23

I mostly use one single address, but I can tell you exactly where all the spam comes from: idiots whose name is the same as mine. They give my address as if it belonged to them. Probably they created addresses like narag33@server and they believe that it's narag@server instead. So not only I receive all the spam from dubious sites that they suscribed to, but also their legitimate mail from lists and friends. My names…

I got sent a ton of (quite private) PII from T-Mobile in Holland for some poor schmuck who can't understand that his email address is not a.byss@gmail.com, or alternatively isn't actually putting an email address and some other idiot is deciding, "This guy is called Adrian Byss, his email is probably a.byss@gmail.com". I've had the email abyss@gmail.com* since not long after gmail became available to the public. If I…

good theory, but dots don't matter in gmail addresses: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7436150?hl=en

Re: Ask HN: People who use different emails everywhere, who sold you to spammers?

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post #23

I mostly use one single address, but I can tell you exactly where all the spam comes from: idiots whose name is the same as mine. They give my address as if it belonged to them. Probably they created addresses like narag33@server and they believe that it's narag@server instead. So not only I receive all the spam from dubious sites that they suscribed to, but also their legitimate mail from lists and friends. My names…

Someone decided to start a weed business in Spokane Washington using my gmail address as their business email contact for all of the greenery suppliers. Now I get tons and tons of marijuana-related spam. I guess they are too stoned to tell the difference between 20 and twenty? I don't know.

That would stress me out! I'm a completely legitimate medical cannabis patient in the UK and I still get nervous about reading emails from the clinic when I'm at work.

Re: Ask HN: People who use different emails everywhere, who sold you to spammers?

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Some loosly related questions: What are people using to manage their individual address-per-service aliases? Is there a good provider which does this well and lets you manage the mail to each alias without logging out and in to each account? I could see how self hosting with something like mail-in-a-box could do this, but requires a ton of knowledge and maintenance. It would be easy to just set up multiple gmail acco…

The key to doing this is an email provider that will let you do a catch all account. Every email that doesn’t match a known mailbox gets delivered to the catch all mailbox. This allows you to “create” new addresses with zero overhead by just typing in whatever you want when you are signing up for something (or speaking a brand new email out loud to a retail store employee or whatever).

Later on if you want to organize more or “unsubscribe” from an address you can go into your mail control panel and add clean server side filtering rules.

As for which service? It is difficult to find traditional mail providers that will let you do this. I’ve gotten a variety of excuses when I ask prospective providers: they want to monetize based on number of email addresses, are “afraid” of all the spam they imagine they will get, or it’s just too niche a feature to build into their web gui. I use a shared hosting provider (I don’t really use the web hosting itself, just the email).

Re: Ask HN: People who use different emails everywhere, who sold you to spammers?

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It's worth pointing out, that if you use PayPal to buy anything from any site, the site in question gets to see your PayPal email address (whether they need to use it or not). If your main email address is used as your PayPal login, and an e-commerce is site is hacked or they just straight up sell your data, then that's your main email address totally compromised.

Source: I've implemented PayPal integrations for several sites over the years, and saw first hand what data is exchanged during the API workflows.

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