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Re: Ask HN: Anyone else is tired of all the corporate bs?

#51
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That's why I never got a data science job. They all seem too close to the business (much closer than typical web app development), and that's a bad thing in my book. My solution is to try to move "down the stack" and retrain to work with C++ and math-heavy jobs (computer vision, simulation etc.). From what I'm hearing, developers in those area have much less contact with the business side of company.

Funny to see how bad this is. All stuff we do actually should be tightly coupled (be part of) with the so-called business - that brings the value outside the company’s doors

If you're working in say automotive industry on a simulator of car tire deformation, you're so far away from the business side that they leave you alone. Whereas in a SaaS business (or, worse yet, unprofitable SaaS Business), the business types have dozens of ideas on how to improve the app, they bombard you with them, often don't care about engineering culture or long-term code viability but only about speed of delivery etc. Then there are large boring corporations which are profitable, but have so much business and manangerial overhead and those people see generating lots of meetings and ideas (don't have to be good) as a part of their job description.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else is tired of all the corporate bs?

#52
Work for a small company: 5 to 30 people.

It seems you like your work, but not your working environment. Big companies always have this kind bullshit. Small companies however, care about the work and results. You can really make a noticeable difference when you represent 10% of a company.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else is tired of all the corporate bs?

#53
post #12

Yes, the BS drained the life out of me. Switched to a startup and it got much better, but once we grew to 100+ people, the endless meetings started piling up again The worst part is the high degree of censorship. Everyone is so sensitive now that it's impossible to speak openly

> The worst part is the high degree of censorship. Everyone is so sensitive now that it's impossible to speak openly What would you say if you weren't censored?

where to begin. What would one say if one could speak openly?

* The vast majority of executives are paranoid, risk averse know nothings. They don’t want to take any business risks lest it harm their comp.

* Because most execs don’t understand their business, their customers, their industry, and they distrust their staff — they can’t formulate clear and concise goals and objectives. This is how orgs end up with that blitzkrieg of murky, pointless, meaningless objectives.

* Quite a lot of people in leadership roles got to where there are by making very morally and ethically questionable decisions. It’s largely due to the stupidity of the investor class that these individuals were never caught. The horrible thing is because these individuals are loaded to the gills with malintent they assume the same of everyone else. They tend to structure their organizations around mistrust.

* This is why management practice, especially in the US, appears to be a bad case of Munchausen syndrome by proxy. All of management’s bureaucratic nonsense and irrational separation of duties creates self-inflicted wounds. management salves wounds (they never get at the root cause). And then management rewards itself with big bonuses for fixing the problems they created.

* The US Federal Government functions way more effectively than most large companies. The reason is that in the govt policies, procedures, and controls are well documented and maintained. In most orgs all three are usually in flux at all times. This makes unity of effort pretty challenging on a good day.

* If orgs cut a lot of their senior leadership they could pay everyone a lot more -and- see a productivity improvement whilst preserving their margin

* Investors think they’re so clever.

And of course one last thing

* most people have no idea what they’re nattering on about

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else is tired of all the corporate bs?

#54
> I'm working as a data analyst/scientist for two years and I'm already tired.

One of the things that I dislike in data science specifically is the initial stages where you have to prove that there's a use case, or (in some companies) to convince people that they need your work in some way. It's very frustrating and demotivating and I just don't care enough.

Once you get to the building stage (if that's even part of your job), then it's much more satisfying. That's one of the reasons why I want to switch to software development at some point.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else is tired of all the corporate bs?

#55

I live in Belgium, didn't inherit millions from family and am in the middle working class. I'll stay in this working class, this is how it has been conceived, I'll never make millions. Once I understood and accepted this, I managed to work only 4 days a week and live more than finely with this salary. Work is only there to get my living wage, I detached completely from work life, I chat with colleague, I do what I'm…

At the same time, I am looking for a part-time freelance job out of Belgium, and find it surprisingly difficult to find. I am omnivore, having successfully maintained both outdated Eclipse/OSGI-based codebases and large PHP websites, but everyone wants to buy me in entirety.

I think it might be because if you just want part-time it may looks like you are not going to take it seriously.

Being freelancer is more difficult for the not long term, but the best to achieve shorter working hours I would say is, work full time for 9-12 months, then you know how things work and also have some "power" to request part-time.

The problem of course is that after 2-3 years you will most likely change job again, so it does not last too long as long as you want higher salary

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else is tired of all the corporate bs?

#56
post #12

Yes, the BS drained the life out of me. Switched to a startup and it got much better, but once we grew to 100+ people, the endless meetings started piling up again The worst part is the high degree of censorship. Everyone is so sensitive now that it's impossible to speak openly

> The worst part is the high degree of censorship. Everyone is so sensitive now that it's impossible to speak openly What would you say if you weren't censored?

Example: Pronouns. I’ve been subjected to Slack bots that chastise us for using gendered pronouns. Like, someone says “could you guys take a look at this?” And the bot calls the person out publicly, saying we don’t use that pronoun around here.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else is tired of all the corporate bs?

#57

I don't want to sound like the bad guy here who defends corporate, but I kind of feel like OP and a lot of comments are missing the point. Which is: large business organizations are complex social structures. You can't have a complex social structure without a lot of communication going on. Of course there are zounds of different ways to communicate with each other and if you (and your colleagues) feel like certain m…

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone else is tired of all the corporate bs?

#58

I don't want to sound like the bad guy here who defends corporate, but I kind of feel like OP and a lot of comments are missing the point. Which is: large business organizations are complex social structures. You can't have a complex social structure without a lot of communication going on. Of course there are zounds of different ways to communicate with each other and if you (and your colleagues) feel like certain m…

*hole

(Good comment, though ;)

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else is tired of all the corporate bs?

#59
Most days feel like a constant struggle between having to do my work and people getting in the way.

After 2 years I still don't know what's the functionality of my PO, basically he just pass the task from the top to poorly written tickets that constantly miss information or does not take into account or business logic, this causes a back and forth between me redefining the tickets and having to explain to him, causing him to re-explain those changes up with constant delays and blockers.

My manager is part of another team and barely interacts with my work or me in any meaningful way, we have bi-weekly 1 on 1 that are constantly cancelled for lack of topics.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else is tired of all the corporate bs?

#60
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The worst part is the high degree of censorship. Everyone is so sensitive now that it's impossible to speak openly What would you say if you weren't censored?

Example: Pronouns. I’ve been subjected to Slack bots that chastise us for using gendered pronouns. Like, someone says “could you guys take a look at this?” And the bot calls the person out publicly, saying we don’t use that pronoun around here.

GP specified that it was "the worst part". Was a Slack bot that shunned people from writing "guys" the worst part of the "censorship" you were subjected to?
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