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It takes three years to build a business

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Re: It takes three years to build a business

#41
I'm struggling with this idea right now. Some background: I was laid off recently and am torn between getting another coding job or trying to build a business. I'm a bit older, married with kids, and only have about 9 months of savings ready.

So I'd normally never consider starting a business because of this long ramp-up time, but the "gold rush" of mobile apps is still very appealing. It seems quite easy to ramp up quickly there. I know a lot of apps linger in obscurity but I think I understand social / viral marketing well enough to do some decent app launches. I don't need a big exit, just enough to support a family.

What I can't shake is the persistant question of "why isn't everyone doing this?"

Re: It takes three years to build a business

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You're right, and this doesn't just apply to I.T. Startups. My step father (who is 70 years old, and still on the board of 6 companies) used to always say to us kids it takes "2 years" to start a company. In the article it says you break even somewhere through year two, which I think is what my father was referring to. My own experience this seems likely too, I started my own startup about 6 months ago,( solo founder…

How do you find customers? Are all methods guaranteed to take 2 - 3 years to break even?

Re: It takes three years to build a business

#43

I thought he'd stopped reading HN? The original guy he's talking about was just freelancing. I'm a freelancer and I made money from day one. A friend of mine quit his job 2 months back. Again, made money from day one. Difference between us and the guy in the story? We had contacts and relationships already built from working a few years. What I'm saying is that most of this article is way off the mark for freelancing…

A lot of people have claimed to have stopped reading HN publicly but sorta just came back anyways. Even mattmaroon is around now.

Re: It takes three years to build a business

#44
Great post.

When I quit my job in big services firm, I went for advice before moving out & also to say goodbye to one of the vice-presidents (who had run his own start-up which was eventually acquired by this big services company).

His specific message to me was: make sure you have enough money to last 3 years and make sure all your partners will also be able to stick together for 3 yrs. Because anywhere between 2 to 3 yrs is the inflection point when people are forced to quit due to whatever circumstances. If you guys can successfully see through 3 yrs I am sure you'll all figure out ways to make money with your business.

He advised me to start looking at alternate channels to generate revenue right from day one: network & find training / consulting opportunities even while you are building the product. Even one or two weeks of such work in 2 to 3 months will go a long way in sustaining the business was his advice.

Re: It takes three years to build a business

#45
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Great post, Jacques. Thanks for your kind words. People might even consider doing business with you, but nobody wants to be 'first' for fear of being burned. This can also work in your favor... It's rare, but sometimes you can find someone who does want to be your first customer. When this happens, it's solid gold and one of your fastest shortcuts. Others call them "champions"; I prefer "sugar daddies". I have had th…

Moore (Chasm guy) says that "visionary" customers actually do like to be first: they want to leap-frog their competitors, and to do that, they need something that their competitors don't yet have; which is necessarily not known or trusted. They therefore expect (very) rough edges etc (of course, they also need some amazing order-of-magnitude breakthrough benefit).

BTW: the 3-year rule-of-thumb rings true for me too: a year to get the first customer (putting it out there and improving it for a year); a year to refine it/build the customer list; a year to make money hand-over-fist. (Unfortunately, by then I also got competitors, and worse, I also got bored.)

Re: It takes three years to build a business

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I'll chime in with the others in saying that the morning thing is a great idea. I've been trying to do evening coding for a while but end up just not having the energy. I put in my best hours of the day at work and coming home to work by myself on a project often just doesn't pan out. Switching this around, I can put in time for myself first then head into work and keep going for the remainder of the work day.

Yes mate, my logic was the same as yours ... I got fed up with being tired in the evenings and decided that my startup deserves the best of me, and my day job deserves just "regular" me Evenings are for time off with my partner, we play ps3 together and generally relax ... I also spend the evenings reviewing my own code / doing administration and billing and other non brain intensive things ... makes for a good work/…

That's good advice for solo cofounders. The running is key for me. I'm not a morning person - at all - so I roll out of bed around 6 am, go to work for 8 hours, come home to run around 3pm (I enjoy the nicer weather in the afternoon and I get all my frustration out from my day job), and then I have a clear mind and lots of energy to get a few solid hours of coding done in the evening.

I do usually have to set aside a couple hours for family time. I used to bring my laptop and try to get something done, but it wasn't enough benefit to deal with the added stress while trying to enjoy family time.

So that's my advice:

* Do something to clear your mind and give you energy before you work on a side project/job

* Be realistic about when you can get things done - "you don't need more hours, you need smarter hours" ~ Rework

Re: It takes three years to build a business

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Another data point to support the three year number being thrown about, this one from the founder of Yipit writing about their early struggles: "It took us almost three years to know what exactly we had to do during those three days." http://viniciusvacanti.com/2011/09/12/the-long-grind-before-...

Another data point : Amy Hoy mentions that her first webapp and those of two other people running SAAS businesses all took 2 years to hit 200k after launch - add on some dev time and it approaches 3 years.

http://unicornfree.com/2011/drawing-back-the-curtain/

Re: It takes three years to build a business

#48
Great post. I would add some advice to this based on my experiences... If you're just starting out and are having trouble gaining the trust of your target customers, you should consider seeking out channels through which to sell your services.

In my example, we built credibility with our desired end clients by building great case studies working through channel partners. Once we had these examples under our belt, bigger companies were more likely to trust us. Plus, the channel partner acts as your sales rep until you can get your own sales funnel working in-house.

However, I don't recommend this forever, as selling through a channel has its own set of challenges (e.g., lack of pricing controls, inability to sell into the account without approvals, potential for the channel to copy your product/approach, inability to control the client relationship, etc.).

Re: It takes three years to build a business

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Congrats man! What are you working on?

I dont work on a single "Next Big Idea" .. I have several small projects that I am advancing, all of which use A.I. somehow, because that's what I'm interested in, that's what I love. Some projects are: Optimal restaurant placement in large cities (based on demand and existing restaurants) Prediction of mechanical failures in industrial systems (sorry I cant be more specific on this point) .. basically I predict mech…

hey Malux can you e-mail me, details on my profile. I'm London based, i think we've got some similar interests and there's some stuff i'd like to talk about. Cheers.

Re: It takes three years to build a business

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If you can manage to do it while you're working for someone else, it eliminates a considerable amount of risk. Not always possible, though.

It can be done, but it's tough.

I was laid off a couple of years ago and used that as an opportunity to start a business.

You need to have the right balance of being hungry, which can be solved my having enough money in the bank for a year or so.

If you have too much money or are too comfortable, you'll never get your app finished, because there will always be other things you need to do (I've been there many times). If you are freaking out about making rent, you won't be able to concentrate either.

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