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Column – a chartered bank for developers

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Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#151

Congratulations on the launch! I wonder if this kind of business model, where it looks like there is basically "one really rich guy self-funding" for a couple of years, is going to be more common. That is, just looking at the site, my guess is that building everything from the ground up (core banking stack, acquiring the chartered bank, then all the APIs and tech on top of that) must have taken many years and many, m…

> must have taken many years and many, many millions of dollars

I don't have any inside knowledge, and obviously you can burn many millions even with a small team but:

"We started building Column in 2019 and launched in 2022." [0]

"We’re only six engineers (seven if you count me…but I’m a weekend code pusher)" [1]

[0] https://column.com/company/ [1] https://column.com/blog/hiring-at-column/

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#152

Will you support FedNow instant payments when it GAs next year? Alias support for transfers and payments? Also, my favorite part of your site is this part of your Careers page: > I don’t fit into any of these roles. > You get Column and you think you can drive value on day one. We’ll be honest the bar will be pretty high for us to hire outside of these roles - but fuck it, surprise us. Give us a compelling narrative…

Engineer at Column here. We absolutely want to be early adopters of all new Fed technologies and payment rails. That being said, the rollout on these things is...slow. The Fed moves at its own pace, but we will definitely be right there with them.

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#153
post #8

Hey founder (and OP) here. This has been a labor of love for the past few years and I'm super stoked on what we shipped. Would love any and all feedback, thoughts and questions!

I'm a little confused about who your customers are. Do I have this right? - Competent to develop and manage AML, KYC programs - Wants to handle underwriting, fraud, compliance & operational risk exposure - Develops software - Doesn't want to talk to ACH & VISA - Operates only in the US Who is that?

I imagine these limitations are going to be a moving target as they grow.

A lot of developer driven organizations are very happy to outsource complex parts of development to managed services so they can focus on their core differentiators, especially when it comes to parts of the stack that need super high availability and security. This is why Auth0/Okta are big businesses and not everyone rolls their own key cloak / shibboleth instances, as one of many examples.

This clearly seems like the Apex/Drivewealth model but for challenger banks or new online banking operations. It is hard to predict what startups or new projects will need this because those platforms can unlock innovation for new categories (e.g. no one imagined commission free trading in 2008, and Robinhood wouldn't exist without Apex).

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#154

Congratulations on the launch! I wonder if this kind of business model, where it looks like there is basically "one really rich guy self-funding" for a couple of years, is going to be more common. That is, just looking at the site, my guess is that building everything from the ground up (core banking stack, acquiring the chartered bank, then all the APIs and tech on top of that) must have taken many years and many, m…

I think many starts ups are "rich people" self funding (or are parental funded). For instance Microsoft and Bill Gate's and Paul Allen's helped them out a lot. Ditto with Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk's Tesla & Space X, Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway. You'll notice everyone aforementioned attended an Ivy League university.

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#155
post #8

Hey founder (and OP) here. This has been a labor of love for the past few years and I'm super stoked on what we shipped. Would love any and all feedback, thoughts and questions!

I'm excited about this because it may help with a problem I've had for many years: in a word, being my family's CFO.

I'm a data scientist, and I'd like to be able to report as easily on my own personal finances as I can on the data of the company I work for. This is not a small thing for me. I want to take care of my family's finances, but I'm impatient with bullshit. I don't want to spend an hour every weekend logging into 10 different services, clicking on 10 different things in each company's always-different, always-shitty web UI to pull all the data I need. The easier and more convenient this is to do, the better job I will do managing my money and protecting my family.

As a data scientist, I can handle writing a little code to make some API calls and crunch the numbers that come back. If APIs were available to me for all companies I have assets or liabilities with, I'd have no trouble being an awesome family CFO. But... there is nobody that wants to make this secure and easy for me!! I would have to go to a company like Personal Capital, give them ALL MY ACTUAL BANK LOGIN CREDENTIALS, and they'll go login and do some screen-scraping to get the data. Half the time that won't work because of 2FA complications. They'll bring that data into their little ecosystem, serve it through some shitty web interface, and use it to serve me whatever ad nonsense they want. It's immensely unpleasant, slow, unreliable, and insecure. It sucks ass.

Is your company going to fix this, or perhaps be one part of the solution? One day, will I be able to run my own R and Python scripts that pull all my data, balance my checkbook against receipt screenshots, automatic fraud detection, show me how all my investments are doing? Maybe even open-source it so that others can do the same?

Thank you so much, in advance, for reading and any reply you can make! I'm very excited for this!

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#156
post #8

Hey founder (and OP) here. This has been a labor of love for the past few years and I'm super stoked on what we shipped. Would love any and all feedback, thoughts and questions!

I'm a little confused about who your customers are. Do I have this right? - Competent to develop and manage AML, KYC programs - Wants to handle underwriting, fraud, compliance & operational risk exposure - Develops software - Doesn't want to talk to ACH & VISA - Operates only in the US Who is that?

This seems to be the US equivalent to Solarisbank, which operates only in some EU countries. I don't know any specifics, but I have encountered Solaris a few times. For example they are used by TradeRepublic, basically the German Robinhood equivalent, and a handful of Neobank providers. Those Neobanks usually focus onto a specific niche and build their product based on the services offered by Solaris.

I would imagine that Column could provide similar their services to similar companies and make the development of financial products significantly faster.

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#157
post #148
post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Engineer at Column here! The difference between us and ALL banking as a service companies (Stripe Treasury, Unit, etc) is that we are the actual underlying bank in the transaction. BaaS companies usually wrap one or several banks (like us) to provide their API's.

Could I create a bank account for personal use that has api access? Or is the product only for businesses that issue cards and accounts to others?

Yup. You can sign up today for sandbox access, and then contact us once you are ready to go live and move real money.

Truth is, we probably aren't great as a personal checking account, and thats not really the intended use case. But you are welcome to try us out and see what you can build!

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#158
post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're saving you money by not supporting bi-weekly payments :)

I assume you mean because the extra money that I'm putting into my house could make more money in the market so instead of a 13th payment, get gains in the market?

Well, as long as your (interest minus interest tax credit) rate is below inflation, youre better off putting that money in a 0% interest savings account than paying down the debt faster. Or consider 7% from a Series I bond, or investing it in something else.

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#160
post #154

Congratulations on the launch! I wonder if this kind of business model, where it looks like there is basically "one really rich guy self-funding" for a couple of years, is going to be more common. That is, just looking at the site, my guess is that building everything from the ground up (core banking stack, acquiring the chartered bank, then all the APIs and tech on top of that) must have taken many years and many, m…

I think many starts ups are "rich people" self funding (or are parental funded). For instance Microsoft and Bill Gate's and Paul Allen's helped them out a lot. Ditto with Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk's Tesla & Space X, Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway. You'll notice everyone aforementioned attended an Ivy League university.

At the very least Berkshire Hathaway is an odd example to be pointing out as a "self funded startup". Warren Buffett was an apprentice under Benjamin Graham for several years, operated several businesses beforehand to make his first millions and acquired the (heavily failing at the time) textile operations of Berkshire Hathaway around 1962, when Berkshire was already over a hundred years old.
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