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Re: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Released

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Post by mikewhy »

LeFantome wrote: post #7

I am a Manjaro user currently but have used other distros in the past, including Ubuntu. Given that, I would obviously recommend Manjaro. There are a million reasons but, for development, I find the rolling release model far superior. On Ubuntu, especially an LTS release, you are going to find over time that the software versions on your machine are too old. This will lead to installing from source or Flatpak or what…

I just use homebrew on Linux. Things are relatively up to date, there's better support for installing multiple versions of something compared to apt/pacman/what have you, and development tools are separated from system packages.

Re: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Released

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Post by LeFantome »

Otek wrote: post #2

So I’ll transition next month to Linux because I need stronger work station and my 2019 MacBook Pro is not enough. I’m preparing myself, I live mostly in cmd anyway but I’m on the fence if I should choose Manjaro or Ubuntu. I’m okay with spending some amount of time to learn and configure my environment properly. Can anyone tell me what l, as a programmer working with containers and mostly JS tooling, should consider…

If you are new to Linux then Manjaro and Ubuntu are two good choices. I say this primarily because of documentation and repositories.

On Linux, you really want the software you use to be available as a package for your OS. Ubuntu and Manjaro ( through AUR especially ) have the largest package repositories ( something like 70 thousand ). Some distros have maybe 10 or 20 thousand. As a developer, you will for sure want stuff those distros do not provide ( eg. Distrobox — available on Manjaro ).

If you are reading instructions on the web for how to do something on Linux, it is highly likely they apply to Ubuntu. There is no doubt that the popularity of Ubuntu makes it better for a beginner.

Probably the best Linux documentation available is the Arch Wiki and all that documentation applies to Manjaro.

Manjaro is a friendly version of Arch Linux in the same way that Ubuntu is a modified Debian.

I used to use Fedora and it is a great distro. It would not be my top choice for a new user though. There are many great “friendly” distros that are very easy to get into. The problems come when you want them to do more. It can be hard to find documentation and things may be done just a bit differently. It can be harder to find software. And fighting the package manager on any distro is no fun.

Re: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Released

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Post by Otek »

incomingpain wrote: post #5
Otek wrote: post #2

So I’ll transition next month to Linux because I need stronger work station and my 2019 MacBook Pro is not enough. I’m preparing myself, I live mostly in cmd anyway but I’m on the fence if I should choose Manjaro or Ubuntu. I’m okay with spending some amount of time to learn and configure my environment properly. Can anyone tell me what l, as a programmer working with containers and mostly JS tooling, should consider…

In my opinion manjaro vs ubuntu in that use case doesn't really make any difference. What you really need to decide on is desktop environment. Gnome vs KDE vs Xfce vs budgie vs cinnamon is really the decision you need to make. If you're comfy with mac, Budgie might be the best way to go. https://ubuntubudgie.org/ or https://manjaro.org/download/#budgie I lean more ubuntu though.

I’m using i3 from day 1. I had on MacOS yabai that simulated this behavior

Re: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Released

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Post by wdfx »

incomingpain wrote: post #9
wdfx wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also about the system package manager. In recent years I've been preferring Fedora's dnf over Ubuntu's apt.

>It's also about the system package manager. Agreed, apt has been aging to be sure. Manjaro's pacman not that much different. >In recent years I've been preferring Fedora's dnf over Ubuntu's apt. On my rpm boxes I still use yum. I do realize dnf is there but honestly haven't see any reason to change. What do you think makes dnf better?

I consider rpm/dnf/yum in the same suite of packaging.

Just in my experience using it and noticing how the packaging is done and applied to the system, I have more trust in rpm/dnf to do things properly compared to deb/apt.

Many times I've had apt repos stop working or deb installs doing weird things and leaving the system in some weird state. I've had none of these issues with rpm/dnf.

Re: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Released

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Post by LeFantome »

nando3d1 wrote: post #10
LeFantome wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies, I posted this at the wrong level. I am a Manjaro user currently but have used other distros in the past, including Ubuntu. Given that, I would obviously recommend Manjaro. There are a million reasons but, for development, I find the rolling release model far superior. On Ubuntu, especially an LTS release, you are going to find over time that the software versions on your machine are too old. This will lead…

For me, Manjaro is not that good, they make too many mistakes that make the distro very unstable, even Arch is more stable than Manjaro. https://manjarno.snorlax.sh/

I have had a great experience and do not recall that certificate issue. I do not work for Manjaro though. Let’s give the OP the best advice possible.

I have heard good things about EndeavourOS and, as you say, it is very similar to Manjaro. I may try it for my next install.

https://itsfoss.com/endeavouros-vs-manjaro/

Re: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Released

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Post by incomingpain »

wdfx wrote: post #15
incomingpain wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's also about the system package manager. Agreed, apt has been aging to be sure. Manjaro's pacman not that much different. >In recent years I've been preferring Fedora's dnf over Ubuntu's apt. On my rpm boxes I still use yum. I do realize dnf is there but honestly haven't see any reason to change. What do you think makes dnf better?

I consider rpm/dnf/yum in the same suite of packaging. Just in my experience using it and noticing how the packaging is done and applied to the system, I have more trust in rpm/dnf to do things properly compared to deb/apt. Many times I've had apt repos stop working or deb installs doing weird things and leaving the system in some weird state. I've had none of these issues with rpm/dnf.

>Just in my experience using it and noticing how the packaging is done and applied to the system, I have more trust in rpm/dnf to do things properly compared to deb/apt.

Like I've kind of looked into packaging an app into a .deb before and it's rather convoluted. I never did understand why nobody has worked toward fixing these.

>Many times I've had apt repos stop working or deb installs doing weird things and leaving the system in some weird state. I've had none of these issues with rpm/dnf.

I have on both sides. Apt repos often break in annoying ways.

I still to this day don't know the difference between Centos baseos, universe, extra, elrepo, and epel. Now there's streams and next. I just don't seem to care to learn.

Anyway, I thought maybe you meant dnf had some sort of new advantage and why it's better than yum for example.

Re: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Released

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Post by incomingpain »

Otek wrote: post #13
incomingpain wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion manjaro vs ubuntu in that use case doesn't really make any difference. What you really need to decide on is desktop environment. Gnome vs KDE vs Xfce vs budgie vs cinnamon is really the decision you need to make. If you're comfy with mac, Budgie might be the best way to go. https://ubuntubudgie.org/ or https://manjaro.org/download/#budgie I lean more ubuntu though.

I’m using i3 from day 1. I had on MacOS yabai that simulated this behavior

Oh ya right on. I was looking at tiling stuff gave a few of these a try.

I actually ended up with POP OS which has a much much easier tiling manager.

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