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What chords do you need?

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Re: What chords do you need?

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If you know I, ii, iii, IV, V, vi in C then you'll be able to play tunes in A natural minor. Add III to cover A harmonic minor, and II to cover A melodic minor In real life though the key usually depends on the singer's vocal range, so you won't really get away with learning just one key

In A harmonic minor the III is already a C, you can make it augmented but that is not very common. You generally change the v to a V and keep the VII diminished in both cases where as it is major in the natural minor.

He was saying that the III of C major is the V of A minor, and so if you are planning to play in A minor using a set of chords pulled from C major, you may want to add a III alongside the iii.

Re: What chords do you need?

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Re: What chords do you need?

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> This might be a bit confusing as written, because the slash "/" is normally used in roman numerals to indicate secondary chords. Sorry, that's not something I'd seen. Edited the post to switch to "or". > The terminology "open chords" is also a bit unusual. The term "open chords" usually refers to chords that use open strings (strings that are not fingered). Looking some, you're totally right. I'm confused where I p…

> Calling them "power chords" in a non-rock context sounds off to me, though. Lots of powerchords in pop too. "powerchord", to me at least, implies that there is a distortion effect somewhere in the signal chain. Powerchords on their own sounds really weak.

When playing mandolin I rarely play thirds (https://www.jefftk.com/p/mandolin-teaching-videos), but I'm also playing traditional music, acoustic, where "power chords" sounds strange?

Re: What chords do you need?

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A couple notes > While it's almost always I, IV, V, and vi, we have both II/ii and III/iii, differing on whether the third is major or minor. This might be a bit confusing as written, because the slash "/" is normally used in roman numerals to indicate secondary chords. For example, the II chord may be written as V/V. (V/V is always II, but not the other way around... the "/" notation indicates that the chord is func…

> This might be a bit confusing as written, because the slash "/" is normally used in roman numerals to indicate secondary chords. Sorry, that's not something I'd seen. Edited the post to switch to "or". > The terminology "open chords" is also a bit unusual. The term "open chords" usually refers to chords that use open strings (strings that are not fingered). Looking some, you're totally right. I'm confused where I p…

Most people would also understand that there's no 3rd if you call it a G5.

Re: What chords do you need?

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What this data shows is G Major truly is the "people's key." For those not familiar with music a 12 bar blues uses 3 chords: the so-called I, IV, and V chords (the first, fourth, and fifth chords in the key). In the key of G that would be G (I), C (IV), and D (V). Look at the most popular chords. Instead of analyzing by chords I would have analyzed by key - what keys do you need? Convention says G Major is the "peopl…

Side note, from a usability perspective: G major is arguably the easiest key to play on a guitar, which is used heavily by both popular music and songwriters. The I/IV/V maps to G, C, D, which are all easy open chords to finger, plus Em is also simple (two fingers). (Many of the other options include either B major or F major in the I/IV/V, and those are considerably more difficult to play)

D major and A major are the other ubiquitous beginner-friendly keys for guitar. I distinctly remember a few months into getting my first guitar concluding that G major was so much better because Em is so much easier to play than Bm or F#m. :)

Re: What chords do you need?

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Another way to put this is that for most pop music, you could often degrade gracefully to three triads of major or minor quality.

But even for something discussed previously on HN-- the Beach Boys "God Only Knows"-- this doesn't work. Wilson really wants a half-diminished seventh chord at the high point of the melody. One could perhaps degrade to a diminished triad in the accompaniment, but he's literally singing the seventh of the chord so it's there regardless. Substituting a major or minor triad there is a qualitative change and sounds suspicious.

If you're making your own instrument you might want to be aware that there's a "suspicious" sound that some types of consistent chord substitutions can have on certain classes of instruments.

For example, a bagpiper can make severe simplifications to the harmony or even change melodic intervals to fit what they have available. Audiences generally accept this because the strictures of the instrument have made that a common practice. (Even if you're unaware of the strictures, you've probably gotten used to hearing the result of the common practice.)

However, if one consistently employs major/minor triad substitutions on the guitar people are eventually going to hear that as a lack of quality. As in the Beach Boys example, this will often happen during key points. The guitarist may get lucky if the singer happens to fill out the missing note of the chord-- e.g., guitarist plays a minor triad and the singer fills out the seventh at the beginning of the chorus of "Last Dance with Mary Jane"-- but eventually the audience will figure out that the guitarist is missing a vital skill.

Anyway, unless your instrument is so novel it doesn't have any associations with extant instruments, make sure you have some kind of "escape hatch" so that skilled performers can play the chords they need. :)

Re: What chords do you need?

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What this data shows is G Major truly is the "people's key." For those not familiar with music a 12 bar blues uses 3 chords: the so-called I, IV, and V chords (the first, fourth, and fifth chords in the key). In the key of G that would be G (I), C (IV), and D (V). Look at the most popular chords. Instead of analyzing by chords I would have analyzed by key - what keys do you need? Convention says G Major is the "peopl…

Side note, from a usability perspective: G major is arguably the easiest key to play on a guitar, which is used heavily by both popular music and songwriters. The I/IV/V maps to G, C, D, which are all easy open chords to finger, plus Em is also simple (two fingers). (Many of the other options include either B major or F major in the I/IV/V, and those are considerably more difficult to play)

Yeah agreed, G and E make the most sense for guitar for those reasons. Although equal temperament makes all scales sound the same in theory, there are often practical concerns. For example, EDM is very often in D#, E, F, F#, or G minor. There's a good reason for this: sub bass frequencies hit hardest around F. G#, A, A#, B and C sound too high, and anything lower than D# you risk playing on club speakers that can't produce the frequency well.

Re: What chords do you need?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In A harmonic minor the III is already a C, you can make it augmented but that is not very common. You generally change the v to a V and keep the VII diminished in both cases where as it is major in the natural minor.

He was saying that the III of C major is the V of A minor, and so if you are planning to play in A minor using a set of chords pulled from C major, you may want to add a III alongside the iii.

Ah, when phrased that way it makes sense. I misunderstood. We're just saying the same thing in two different ways.

Re: What chords do you need?

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Three chords and the truth. Usually attributed to Harlan Howard [1], an early country music songwriter. A lot of early country music sticks to just I, IV, and V. [1]: (PDF) https://countrymusichalloffame.org/content/uploads/2019/05/W...

Thank you, fixed. That phrase flew right out of my fingers carelessly.

No problem. In country and bluegrass jamming circles, there's definitely a faction that prefers simpler songs with fewer chords (true to Howard's quote), so I was amused to see his words distorted. Thanks for fixing it.
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