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IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Re: IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Post by vacri »

dextorious wrote: post #126
vacri wrote: post #93

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So let's all wear the same clothes, eat the same foods, engage in the same pastimes, work the same hours, walk at the same speeds, drive the same car. Then the only abstraction will be in our dreams - the only place we will be free! Our dreams will then be the blessed relief that we will always look forward to as our own little free moment. Point is, such didactic statements are stupid, as is the whole 'less choice i…

> So let's all wear the same clothes, eat the same foods, engage in the same pastimes, work the same hours, walk at the same speeds, drive the same car. Yes, clearly restrictions for the space available to apps on a mobile phone is the same as political totalitarianism. And user space apps not being able to address/change kernel space in Unix is also a major blow to our freedom.

Wow, is that what all the downmodding is about? Way to miss the point, HN.

I'm trying to say that choice is not equivalatable to micromanagement - if it was, and the elimination of micromanagement is good, then the elimination of choice would be good - which it patently isn't. You have choice over a great many things in your life which are trivial, yet which people find important to have.

It was an analogy - "put it this way. say the X" kinda makes that clear.

Re: IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Post by [deleted] »

qjz wrote: post #145

Apple - iCloud - Your content. On all your devices. That is the title of Apple's main iCloud page at http://www.apple.com/icloud/ . iCloud is seamlessly integrated into your apps, so you can access your content on all your devices. This is Apple's definition for the iCloud service. It doesn't matter what the data is, it's your data and Apple is promising to sync it between your devices, to preserve your experience. I…

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Re: IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Post by vacri »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #146
pja wrote: post #143

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Ubuntu has put hard money into an alternative to Gnome3, yet they chose not to put effort into Gnome2 either. Which suggests that perhaps Gnome2 has been abandoned for good reasons, even if you don't agree with them. If you're not paying for their time (or willing to put your own time in), you don't get to chose how the people who are putting the effort in spend their programming time. With free software, you have th…

> With free software, you have the option to do whatever you like to it, but no-one has the obligation to work on it on your behalf. Absolutely and that's the problem. Say my wife (not a programmer) doesn't like it, she isn't going to learn to program, understand the code, make the changes she wants and implement them. While it's theoretically possible, it's so impractical as to effectively be impossible. The number…

for others, such as my wife, Android or Linux is no freer (as in speech) than iOS or Windows.

Not entirely true. Windows can run into licensing problems from time to time, which you don't get with the other major OSes. Buy a used macbook? OS is fine. Buy a used Windows PC? Well... the vendor said it was genuine. Turns out if you try to get the security updates, it starts complaining about not being genuine. I had to sort out exactly this problem for a nontechnical ex-colleague of mine who'd bought such a PC for her new small business.

Re: IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

nooneelse wrote: post #149
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #146

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> With free software, you have the option to do whatever you like to it, but no-one has the obligation to work on it on your behalf. Absolutely and that's the problem. Say my wife (not a programmer) doesn't like it, she isn't going to learn to program, understand the code, make the changes she wants and implement them. While it's theoretically possible, it's so impractical as to effectively be impossible. The number…

But it is possible in the free software domain, for your new-Gnome hating wife to read a blog or article about other people who also hate new-Gnome and who have put together, or suggest, an alternative. That alternative can be as little work for her as installing something else from the package manager (which can be at the skill level of a search and point and click). This doesn't take skill in programming, no more t…

Yes and no.

I think you're over estimating how IT literate my wife and many others are. I bought her a MacBook because she used to shout at the PC too much.

And it's not just her. My mum wouldn't get a Mac as she didn't want to have to relearn Windows. My aunty had Linux installed by one of her sons on her PC (for security reasons) and couldn't do a thing (another one returned it to Windows so she could go back to reading her mail and looking at the funny things her friends sent her). And before anyone asks about how all these examples are about women, my father is so IT illiterate I can't even form a coherent example of his lack of knowledge because there's so little of it (though he still surfs the web and looks at his photos).

For these people the idea that you'd go and look for an alternative is a pretty big stretch and that's before you ask whether they actually have the skills to carry out a proper assessment of what is available, what meets their needs, what's robust, what's actively developed (a major consideration in the FOSS world) and so on to make a choice. And even if they do do all that suddenly a major part of their world changes and there is (for them) a major investment in relearning how things work.

If you've got the skills and genuinely worry about these things then I agree FOSS is great but for a massive, massive number of people they just want something basic that makes some sensible choices they can live with and get on with doing stuff. Right now that's a need FOSS is doing little to meet.

Re: IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Post by gbog »

seabee wrote: post #140
danssig wrote: post #138

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Wonderful comment. This is one reason I always laughed at the argument "yea, but... we have all the source code!". Great, so the solution is we pay to maintain it? How is this free again?

The unsaid thing about freedoms is you cannot exercise them unless you have the means to do so. If you don't have that, the only value freedoms afford you is aspirational. Given that the potential to do something is worth a whole lot less than the activity itself, it's easy to see why FOSS is in is current state and will remain that way for a long time.

Then you would drop freedom of speech just because it is useless unless you own CNN?

Re: IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Post by gbog »

dlss wrote: post #136
lukifer wrote: post #133

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> defective by design, free (as in speech), respect the freedom of its users Is it just me, or has the free software community gotten so disciplined and precise with their talking points that it would make Karl Rove blush? It comes down to this: different people want different things. Some people want Kramer's vision of building your own pizza, both for fun and to get exactly the pizza you want. Most people would rat…

> I don't care whether something is defective by design, or defective by lack of design: I care that it's defective, period. Interesting. As an engineer, I very much care about causes. Especially systematic ones. They allow me to better reason about the kinds of problems my system is likely to have, and to proactively mitigate them. I believe that sudoman's tl;dr is something like "If Domino's executives ate at Domin…

Yep. This I don't care the reasons th ing feels a bit obscurantist to me.

Re: IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Post by epo »

epo wrote: post #144
sudoman wrote: post #35

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This general problem is a symptom of a major issue regarding the use of software that does not respect the freedom of its users. Every non-apple developer and user is required to bend to the will of the programmers who develop the proprietary iOS. Any negative choices or limitations imposed by Apple Inc. are virtually uncircumventable. On the other hand, if users and developers in a community are free to view, modify…

The older I get the less tolerant I get of wild-eyed zealots like this. This sloganizing reminds me of the Mao days when lots of impressionable youths would wave the little red book and unthinkingly chant extracts, this is really no different.

Ooh! downvotes without explanation, herd mentality or hurd mentality?

Re: IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Post by allwein »

dextorious wrote: post #132
falling wrote: post #90

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Fair enough. I tried now but that was months ago and Twitter search is unhelpful. However, he's being asked by multiple people right now for the radar# and he's ignoring the questions. He just said he's known it for two weeks, which might have been too late for Apple to fix it anyway.

Yeah, one thing I don't understand is Marco had access to dev builds of iOS for months and iCloud dev access I presume. Why he only found about it now instead of doing something about it all this time?

Probably because, like most developers, he has separate development devices that he only uses for development. So he probably never ran into storage constraint limits while just testing Instapaper.

As an example, I have a 32GB iPod Touch that I've been using for all of the iOS5 testing for my applications and I'm only using around 600MB total. I'd never run into this issue either unless I loaded this up with tons of other apps and movies and music.

Re: IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

vacri wrote: post #153
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With free software, you have the option to do whatever you like to it, but no-one has the obligation to work on it on your behalf. Absolutely and that's the problem. Say my wife (not a programmer) doesn't like it, she isn't going to learn to program, understand the code, make the changes she wants and implement them. While it's theoretically possible, it's so impractical as to effectively be impossible. The number…

for others, such as my wife, Android or Linux is no freer (as in speech) than iOS or Windows. Not entirely true. Windows can run into licensing problems from time to time, which you don't get with the other major OSes. Buy a used macbook? OS is fine. Buy a used Windows PC? Well... the vendor said it was genuine. Turns out if you try to get the security updates, it starts complaining about not being genuine. I had to…

That's an argument for free as in beer, not free as in speech.

But I'd say that's a pretty niche scenario. In over 20 years of PC use I can't say that I've ever come across it, either personally or seeing a friend or colleague go through it.

Re: IOS 5's "Cleaning" Behavior

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Post by zbowling »

Add .nosync to the file/folder name path and keep it in the home or documents directory. Problem solved.

edit: I'm shocked this thread is so long and no body mentioned this. It's been on the apple developer forums for months as a solution.

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