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Re: Ask HN: How do you find credible information online?

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You look for information from the original source, not opinions. You take that information and come to your own opinion. You validate your opinion with an open mind and curiosity - look out for people who can challenge their views. You introspect and change your mind. You also say that some information is beyond your comprehension and “too hard to understand”. “I never allow myself to have an opinion on anything that…

Good luck reading just the 10-Ks or local equivalent for all the companies that you're interested in (not even as a shareholder but as a stakeholder). Will take a lot of hours each week.

Same with research papers, data sheets, raw press releases, etc. Like it or not - you have to rely on 3rd party summarization and information selection.

Re: Ask HN: How do you find credible information online?

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JSTOR, Cochrane reviews, trade journals, and live blogs. Mostly I've gravitated away from "news" to sources.

Picking good sources is hard, though. Generally I find it has to be the case that specialists writing about their specialism are the people who knowledge originates with, even when it isn't lay people.

Where curation is worth it is in reviews. The London Review of Books will introduce a wide array of new literature to me and prepare the ground for approaching those books by explaining the content and critically analysing it.

Statistical literacy also helps - for this I've read David Spiegelhalter's Art of Statistics, which is for the lay reader.

News-wise, single generally credible sources are hard to come by. The Guardian does good live blogs, especially on UK parliamentary debates. The New York Times has a solid but anglocentric newsgathering operation, but tragically partisan opinion. Le Monde Diplomatique is good for international stuff from a francophone perspective.

tl;dr, navigate institutions, not search engines. Institutions are in effect communities with a culture that guards against rot algorithms can't perceive.

Re: Ask HN: How do you find credible information online?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With, however the caveat that scientific papers can be embarrassingly wrong, and the error can not be spotted for 17 years, and the paper can go on being widely believed and quoted many years after the full debunk (and the case I link is apparently an honest mistake, not fraud which may be obfuscated). https://economicsfromthetopdown.com/2022/04/08/the-dunning-k...

That is the nuance of the scientific method in order to advance knowledge: it is not perfect, but the peer reviewed process is rigorous

In a perfect world, yes.

Statistics is a HARD subject, specially when you get a juicy believable story in front of you. And a lack of credit to do confirmation research because for administrators "it is not new".

Richard Feynman :

    We've learned from experience that the truth will come out. Other experimenters will repeat your experiment and find out whether you were wrong or right. Nature's phenomena will agree or they'll disagree with your theory. And, although you may gain some temporary fame and excitement, you will not gain a good reputation as a scientist if you haven't tried to be very careful in this kind of work. And it's this type of integrity, this kind of care not to fool yourself, that is missing to a large extent in much of the research in cargo cult science. 
He is overly optimistic, it only works if the "other experimenters" get the money and time to check.

A big part of modern science is very expensive, and controls aren't made.

Re: Ask HN: How do you find credible information online?

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We had to wrestle with this question a few years ago, and stakes were very high. TL;DR is to try to appeal to the scientific method. I don't think "online" is special here.

We desperately sought help for our child who was reading at pre-k reading levels while in the 3rd grade. In many US school systems, after 3rd grade, if you haven't acquired basic reading skill, then you are completely screwed: the curriculum moves on. Finding useful information was astonishingly hard -- what we learned is that within the US, an entire industry has evolved around dogmas that are completely uninformed by reproducible research. If you search for reading help, you find appeals to emotion, "this-one-trick-worked-for-me" type books, self-help conferences and such. We also learned that professional teaching programs are built around dogma, and publishing "research" in the field of education requires strict adherence, and does not meaningfully apply hypothesis testing or reproducibility.

The practice of reading pedagogy lives in this sweet spot where it kinda-sorta works for just enough students that school districts and admins can assert that kids for whom the system does not work should adjust their expectations in life.

We were lucky to discover that reading problems are well understood through neuroscience (not education), and there are decades of reproduced research supporting useful ideas. We were also lucky that my wife happens to be a good teacher (I could never do this!), the two of them get along well, she left her paid job, started homeschooling our child full time, and our child now reads far above grade level.

Re: Ask HN: How do you find credible information online?

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More and more, I'm acknowledging that finding credible information online that requires any depth is a futile exercise.

The return on time spent is horrible and I also realize that more often than not, I don't have the time and knowledge knowledge to sift through and evaluate the information that I find.

Re: Ask HN: How do you find credible information online?

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post #41
post #20

You look for information from the original source, not opinions. You take that information and come to your own opinion. You validate your opinion with an open mind and curiosity - look out for people who can challenge their views. You introspect and change your mind. You also say that some information is beyond your comprehension and “too hard to understand”. “I never allow myself to have an opinion on anything that…

Good luck reading just the 10-Ks or local equivalent for all the companies that you're interested in (not even as a shareholder but as a stakeholder). Will take a lot of hours each week. Same with research papers, data sheets, raw press releases, etc. Like it or not - you have to rely on 3rd party summarization and information selection.

FWIW, I do read 10-K and research papers regularly as I find that investment worthwhile for me - even if it is several hours a week. You may not, that's fine.

> Like it or not - you have to rely on 3rd party summarization and information selection.

I don't necessarily disagree. I have a slightly different viewpoint. I do rely on 3rd party summarisation as a first step. Beyond that, I dig deep myself and form ym own opinion.

Your answer seems to suggest reliance on credible 3rd party sources. No issues with that - but if you should also accept the implications with reliance on expert / wisdom of crowds. If you are fine with those implications, good for you. I am not, most of the times - at least in areas that I care about. Therefore, I read research papers and 10Ks myself.

Re: Ask HN: How do you find credible information online?

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It looks like you have different problems here:

1. Credible sources. 2. Tools and methods for searching and matching.

In my opinion:

1. It's very subjective. Pepople just believe in different things. It's hard and time consuming. There is no the single point of truth. 2. For this purpose I wrote https://github.com/livelace/gosquito and I extract different keywords (tech, people, orgs etc.) from information flows. It frees my time heavily.

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