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Re: The Register slams OpenSocial, OpenID and Google Gears - "destined for the dustbin"

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Post by maxklein »

simonw wrote: post #19
maxklein wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know because I never created an open id account. The reason I never created one is because when I want to sign up, I just want to select a user name and password, not try to locate an open id. Are you aware that most people using computers don't know how to copy and paste? OpenID requires copy and paste, and that kills it on arrival.

OpenID requires copy and paste? 1. For classic OpenID with subdomains, you end up typing simonw.myopenid.com instead of just simonw 2. For OpenID 2, you click the "Sign in with Yahoo!" button (assuming the site you are signing in to is targeting the mainstream and has decided to show a big shiny button instead of / in addition to the scary OpenID input field) Option 2 is the one you should get excited about if you're…

The sign-in with yahoo button is a lot more accessible, but on a personal level, I am strongly against it. The internet tends to coalesce around the most widely used method, leading to one site becoming disproportionately larger than all the others.

So if we have this "Sign-in with yahoo" button, soon everywhere will have 3-4 sign in methods, likely to be Yahoo, Google, Microsoft and maybe Facebook. So we basically hand over everyone on the internet to these 4 gigantic cooporations? What do you think they will use all those user accounts for? Safeguard them?

If a mum uses the internet to visit her sewing website, this person should not be forced to hand over their personal information to huge companies, who live off advertising!

OpenID is a boon for big companies, and a nightmare for the openness and freedom of the web. Your login information for all sites should be personal - it should be on your physical keychain, and not owned by Yahoo or Microsoft or anyone else.

Re: The Register slams OpenSocial, OpenID and Google Gears - "destined for the dustbin"

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Post by maxklein »

jasonlbaptiste wrote: post #8

I couldnt have said it better. Get past the whining and hyperbole... but try and prove anything he said wrong. OpenID- pipe dream. Clickpass is the only shot of making it work. OpenSocial- Anyone actually make real live open social apps? Anyone making a real business or gain with them? At least facebook apps were able to do that for a good while. Gears- Not sure why this is lobbed in there, except for the fact it isn…

Let me tell you why clickpass fails. After seeing your comment about clickpass, I decided to go try it. So I went there and the initial frontpage pitch was really nice. So I clicked on my google account. It showed me my different google accounts. Nice. I clicked next, and then it asked me if it should be allowed to access contacts. Hella NO! Why should I give clickpass access to my google contacts. So I figured I'd still be able to login without that. Umm, no, it tells me the process failed.

This is the fault of google, but what can clickpass do? Google gives, google takes.

Re: The Register slams OpenSocial, OpenID and Google Gears - "destined for the dustbin"

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Post by centuren »

"Good to be able to rant rant, nicer to somehow get links to even the silliest of them. His complaint about the buzz behind web development this days renders your use of "Web 2.0 engineers" an absolute absurdity (talk about having drunk the "Kool-Aid" you're complaining about). As for APIs, all developers use tools they find accessible and productive. Those they don't, they don't use. A string of social networking sites have brought in massive amounts of profits; it would be silly for the market to ignore that. However a particular Google product/service fares is always irrelevant, when considered against the bigger picture of their continuing growth and success as a business.

If he's asking why we should care about OpenSocial, OpenID, and Google Gears, he's a little too late; I don't care, not enough to find any interest in his post beyond a fascination with it's complete separation from anything relevant or substantial. Perhaps he'd like to complain about Google Web Toolkit next? I suppose he may have already. In any case, good job riding the Google hype to get hits on content so completely pointless!

Congratulations to Aaron Holesgrove for his comment also. His amusement at watching a company, whose search and ad SOFTWARE has so utterly blown away the competition and dominated the market, do something as bizarre as act like the software company they've ALWAYS been, is a fantastic blend of lack of comprehension and emotional reaction to hype.

This response was a mandatory attempt to reclaim the time lost here with a rant of my own, only tailored to the specific absurdities at hand."

Seriously! Who keeps posting these silly little blog entries that don't say anything? They are listed as though they contain valid content, and then are so short and pointless that it's impossible to abort reading them before they are over (and the stupidity is experienced).

If these somehow keep making it to the front page, I'm certainly going to leave this site out of my routine entirely.

Re: The Register slams OpenSocial, OpenID and Google Gears - "destined for the dustbin"

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Post by DougBTX »

jwilliams wrote: post #10
alaskamiller wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gears will win out of the sheer will of force -- a.k.a Google's war chest. Considering that it's only been in development for about a year makes calling a pipe dream premature. OpenSocial and Android both plays the heel to the the bigger and better counterparts. But like all things in life, it's much better to have decent alternative than none at all. They may not ever achieve dominant positioning but they don't have…

My first reaction was "no - gears has been out for ages "... but no, you're totally right. Gears + Android might be an interesting play for Google as well. http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2008/03/power-up-you...

Wasn't the sell for Gears originally offline apps? And now it is supported on a mobile phone... which has always-on internet access...

Re: The Register slams OpenSocial, OpenID and Google Gears - "destined for the dustbin"

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Post by kylec »

DougBTX wrote: post #25
jwilliams wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first reaction was "no - gears has been out for ages "... but no, you're totally right. Gears + Android might be an interesting play for Google as well. http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2008/03/power-up-you...

Wasn't the sell for Gears originally offline apps? And now it is supported on a mobile phone... which has always-on internet access...

This makes it even more useful. Bandwidth on a mobile phone isn't unlimited and it can be extremely slow loading.

Re: The Register slams OpenSocial, OpenID and Google Gears - "destined for the dustbin"

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Post by nihilocrat »

Your headline is wrong, it's "Ted Dziuba, that guy who swears a lot while making macho comments about technology, slams x, y, and z".

That's not to say his arguments don't have merit, just take it with a grain of salt because he's getting an article on The Register /because/ of of the highly-critical-invective-filled-pretty-funny-to-read style. See also: Zeropunctuation reviews of video games.

Re: The Register slams OpenSocial, OpenID and Google Gears - "destined for the dustbin"

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Post by simonw »

maxklein wrote: post #21
simonw wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenID requires copy and paste? 1. For classic OpenID with subdomains, you end up typing simonw.myopenid.com instead of just simonw 2. For OpenID 2, you click the "Sign in with Yahoo!" button (assuming the site you are signing in to is targeting the mainstream and has decided to show a big shiny button instead of / in addition to the scary OpenID input field) Option 2 is the one you should get excited about if you're…

The sign-in with yahoo button is a lot more accessible, but on a personal level, I am strongly against it. The internet tends to coalesce around the most widely used method, leading to one site becoming disproportionately larger than all the others. So if we have this "Sign-in with yahoo" button, soon everywhere will have 3-4 sign in methods, likely to be Yahoo, Google, Microsoft and maybe Facebook. So we basically h…

But that's the beauty of OpenID - it allows you to keep your identity with the thing that you trust.

One of the future developments I'm most excited about with respect to OpenID is the ability to run your OpenID server on your mobile phone. Phones can already run web servers, and with IPv6 they'll be able to have public facing direct internet addresses. Voila, your online identity lives in your pocket.

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