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Re: Show HN: I built a website to find nearby cafes to work remotely from

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I've found libraries to be superior to cafes for working -- dead quiet. Funded by the taxpayer, so zero financial worries, just a public space. Free WiFi, Printer, etc. Nice chairs too

Yes, libraries have been one of my best choices for a year, instead of an hour driving to the office, I changed my routine to 10 min, grab a coffee, and head to the library. The only downside is you can't make a phone call in a library, sometimes I had to run to the parking lot (which also has wifi covered) to take Zoom calls :D

Many libraries have conference rooms and small rooms you can book for silent work or meetings. Many have separated silent and social areas in which you can get away with a call if you're on headphones and not being a loud douche. Just ask at the desk.

Re: Show HN: I built a website to find nearby cafes to work remotely from

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This is going to depend a lot on location. Coffee chains are able to support this sort of behavior because the many customers that drop $4 in one minute on their morning commute, are subsidizing the few customers that pay $4 for six hours of seating and wifi. Assuming you open your cafe on a viable commuter path, you can take advantage of this subsidy and your economics can work out. You can improve your economics ev…

A busy cafe with seated people also psychologically has an impact on people just stopping in for takeout.

Precisely this. Empty shops have an unconscious (sometimes conscious) effect on people making them less likely to drop in themselves. 1-3 people taking up wifi and electricity could easily attract enough customers to pay for their visit with each stay.

This does only really apply in shops in areas with decent foot traffic though.

Re: Show HN: I built a website to find nearby cafes to work remotely from

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You’re assuming that loitering people are a negative on the business — which is a mistake that Starbucks made as well, to their detriment. Starbucks did what you’re suggesting to increase turnover and profit at stores — but the opposite happened: sales dramatically dropped, even though the time to serve a single customer and the average customer stay both dropped. The issue is that Starbucks doesn’t just sell coffee…

> Starbucks did what you’re suggesting to increase turnover and profit at stores — but the opposite happened: sales dramatically dropped, even though the time to serve a single customer and the average customer stay both dropped. Can you show me where starbucks revenue dropped (besides 2020 pandemic dip)? 2021 $29,061 2020 $23,518 2019 $26,509 2018 $24,720 2017 $22,387 2016 $21,316 2015 $19,163 2014 $16,448 2013 $14,…

Just an unaffiliated 3rd party observer here, but is it possible they meant revenue went down relative to corporate projections or didn't increase in line with other factors like inflation?

Just a thought.

Re: Show HN: I built a website to find nearby cafes to work remotely from

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This is brilliant! I wonder how they police it? Is it simply a limited time access to the internet? Important to note that the second feature they list is: "comfy seats." It seems that many coffee shops try to fight the over use problem with uncomfortable seating.

In one I've been you can pick a totem (they're all in form of old pocket watches), and they note what time this totem got "checked out" of the reception, and what time it returns, and charge you for the minutes.

Oh that’s lovely.

Re: Show HN: I built a website to find nearby cafes to work remotely from

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post #198

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You’re assuming that loitering people are a negative on the business — which is a mistake that Starbucks made as well, to their detriment. Starbucks did what you’re suggesting to increase turnover and profit at stores — but the opposite happened: sales dramatically dropped, even though the time to serve a single customer and the average customer stay both dropped. The issue is that Starbucks doesn’t just sell coffee…

> Starbucks did what you’re suggesting to increase turnover and profit at stores — but the opposite happened: sales dramatically dropped, even though the time to serve a single customer and the average customer stay both dropped. Can you show me where starbucks revenue dropped (besides 2020 pandemic dip)? 2021 $29,061 2020 $23,518 2019 $26,509 2018 $24,720 2017 $22,387 2016 $21,316 2015 $19,163 2014 $16,448 2013 $14,…

Yawn — aggregate global numbers don’t represent every trial Starbucks has done at their stores, and this is based on my discussions with Starbucks finance staff about this phenomena.

But sure, I just made it up because my story (in simplified form) didn’t match the numbers you quickly found about global aggregates.

> They live in fantasy land where they pretend like the goal of a coffee shop is something akin to "serving the community" or "being a third place" when in actuality the point is to sell something for more than it costs to produce.

I think it’s interesting that because you couldn’t verify my personal anecdote on public data, you made extremely negative assumptions about me:

- I’m a liar.

- I don’t know about business from spending a decade in marketing, econ, and finance.

You also seem to not even understand the term “thirdspace” or realize that’s a product cafes, bars, and restaurants sell and from where they gain part of their value by being fun and social. Whoa!

> MBA types get a lot of shit on this forum, but MBA types are good at some things. And those things include running a pretty simple business like a coffee shop. It's pretty simple math, you can set clear targets, estimate demand and balance trade offs like what to have on the menu and how much to charge.

Except that this is untrue and a reflection of your own lack of information — though I agree MBAs get an unfair treatment around here.

However, you’re dead wrong about running a coffee shop being simple maximization or “simple math” — but I hope you keep it up. Small minds like yours causing problems keeps me employed to fix them.

Re: Show HN: I built a website to find nearby cafes to work remotely from

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post #198

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> Starbucks did what you’re suggesting to increase turnover and profit at stores — but the opposite happened: sales dramatically dropped, even though the time to serve a single customer and the average customer stay both dropped. Can you show me where starbucks revenue dropped (besides 2020 pandemic dip)? 2021 $29,061 2020 $23,518 2019 $26,509 2018 $24,720 2017 $22,387 2016 $21,316 2015 $19,163 2014 $16,448 2013 $14,…

Just an unaffiliated 3rd party observer here, but is it possible they meant revenue went down relative to corporate projections or didn't increase in line with other factors like inflation? Just a thought.

Or in selected stores that were piloting changes in a discussion about customer sentiment with Starbucks finance staff I was advising.

I never said they did it everywhere and crashed the company — which is what would be required for top level numbers like those to change.

Re: Show HN: I built a website to find nearby cafes to work remotely from

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post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re assuming that loitering people are a negative on the business — which is a mistake that Starbucks made as well, to their detriment. Starbucks did what you’re suggesting to increase turnover and profit at stores — but the opposite happened: sales dramatically dropped, even though the time to serve a single customer and the average customer stay both dropped. The issue is that Starbucks doesn’t just sell coffee…

> Starbucks did what you’re suggesting to increase turnover and profit at stores — but the opposite happened: sales dramatically dropped, even though the time to serve a single customer and the average customer stay both dropped. Can you show me where starbucks revenue dropped (besides 2020 pandemic dip)? 2021 $29,061 2020 $23,518 2019 $26,509 2018 $24,720 2017 $22,387 2016 $21,316 2015 $19,163 2014 $16,448 2013 $14,…

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Re: Show HN: I built a website to find nearby cafes to work remotely from

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This is cool. Reminds me.. I have always liked the idea of opening a cafe (who hasn't !?) but I'd struggle with the modern behaviour of peeps sitting for hours taking up a plug + wifi in exchange for ~£$4. Hugely uneconomical for independents. Good-faith customers aware of the economic burden of their behaviour are a VERY rare breed.. So I quite like (/ethically hate) the idea of creating scarcities in order to influ…

Some cafes near me will nudge people to buy something if they have been there for hours. While some like that people working there makes them look busy so they are okay with it.

So, I guess this might or might be a burden. It depends completely on the cafe.

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