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Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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Lenovo has some pretty good sales on thinkpad X1s (at least they do in Canada - didn't check the US site). But, if you're in Canada, I just bought this: https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16834233446?Description=gigabyte... It's got a gorgeous 4K OLED screen, a quite decent CPU and GPU, and it's currently $350 off + a $300 mail in rebate (there was an additional $350 off over the easter weekend, too). The track pad is not m…

I have a Lenovo X13 Gen 2 with a 16 thread Ryzen 5850U and 32GB of RAM. It’s about the most powerful you can get while still having a power efficient CPU under load. I spend all day compiling with all cores and battery is still around 8-9 hours with a 90% charging cap set in the bios to preserve battery longevity. Linux works great on the AMD chipset but I had to replace the Wi-Fi card with an Intel AX220. After buyi…

Do you also experience significant battery drain during sleep? Asking since this is an issue with the T14 gen 1 with AMD.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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** "I don't want to use a Mac" ** "I've had these problems with Mac" Reasonable response: Cool, use what works for you. EDIT> Here are some suggestions that match your constraints. Annoying response 1: You should reconsider because Mac works great for me. Annoying response 2: Your problems aren't real problems. Annoying response 3: Let's live debug your problems in this thread to see if they're real problems. Guys. I…

Nitpick: he said he didn't want to use MacOS, which doesn't necessarily rule out a MacBook. I hate MacOS but my personal laptop is a 2015 MacBook Pro running MX Linux, and I love it.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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Why Mac seems to attract so fanatic behavior? They seem to want to push everyone to use Mac, like religious fanatics try to push everyone to their "truth". I think this is a result of some marketing tactics Apple employed for decades, and it only pushes me away from this brand.

> Why Mac seems to attract so fanatic behavior? The same reason console wars exist. If there are multiple choices, and it's not practical to take/use/buy all the options, people feel the need to justify the choice that they did make. When someone's starting from a defensive position, unemotional rationality is uncommon. AKA, it's human nature.

In one word: Tribalism.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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** "I don't want to use a Mac" ** "I've had these problems with Mac" Reasonable response: Cool, use what works for you. EDIT> Here are some suggestions that match your constraints. Annoying response 1: You should reconsider because Mac works great for me. Annoying response 2: Your problems aren't real problems. Annoying response 3: Let's live debug your problems in this thread to see if they're real problems. Guys. I…

It's natural for people to be perplexed when OP asks for the best option, is given the best option, and produces an irrational excuse against that option.

What are people supposed to say besides, let's help you resolve that excuse?

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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> Why Mac seems to attract so fanatic behavior? That is a good question. But ... > They seem to want to push everyone to use Mac, like religious fanatics try to push everyone to their "truth". As soon as you can adequately explain why there are people that are vehemently anti-Apple, you will have the answer to this question. You make it sound like it's only pro-Apple people that are fanatics.

> As soon as you can adequately explain why there are people that are vehemently anti-Apple, you will have the answer to this question. Oh, oh! I know this one. Apple's devices are extremely closed. This is antithetical to the spirit of personal computing. But this is only one component: what ultimately pushes Apple to generate an anti-Apple crowd is the combination of them being a closed platform, them using every d…

I'm developing a Godot game and it's really ridiculous I need a Mac to compile it for the MacOS and iOS.

I can compile for EVERY PLATFORM from my Arch Linux, just not for Apple stuff.

It's ridículous... This kind of behavior reminds me of Ballmer's Microshit.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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> As soon as you can adequately explain why there are people that are vehemently anti-Apple, you will have the answer to this question. Oh, oh! I know this one. Apple's devices are extremely closed. This is antithetical to the spirit of personal computing. But this is only one component: what ultimately pushes Apple to generate an anti-Apple crowd is the combination of them being a closed platform, them using every d…

I'm developing a Godot game and it's really ridiculous I need a Mac to compile it for the MacOS and iOS. I can compile for EVERY PLATFORM from my Arch Linux, just not for Apple stuff. It's ridículous... This kind of behavior reminds me of Ballmer's Microshit.

So just don't offer a version for Mac, and if anyone asks why, tell them you're not going to buy a 400 dollar Macbook just to use as a compiler.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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M1 Macbook air comes with 8gb soldered memory. In the UK that's 899gbp. If you want 16gb memory you're paying at least 1700gbp. If you want 32gb, it's 2999gbp. Most Windows laptops have upgradable memory and you can buy yourself 32gb ram for ~100gbp.

>M1 Macbook air comes with 8gb soldered memory. In the UK that's 899gbp. If you want 16gb memory you're paying at least 1700gbp A Macbook Air with 16GB memory and 256GB SSD is £1,199 including 20% VAT in the UK.

You might be right. The only shop I looked at was John Lewis.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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Lenovo ThinkPad X1 or X1 Nano are my favorites. Small, light, but powerful. Before I used the ThinkPad X230 and DELL Latitude 7270, each for many years and bought second hand. The DELL was particularly sturdy. All of these are Ubuntu LTS friendly boxes. Avoid Microsoft Surface Laptops, which require patches to run Linux, Microsoft doesn't offer an Image ready to burn on a stick. And although I'm writing this on an M1…

> Avoid Microsoft Surface Laptops, which require patches to run Linux, Microsoft doesn't offer an Image ready to burn on a stick. Is this indeed the case, and likely to continue for the foreseeable future? If so, that is really disappointing. I came in to recommend the Surface Laptop 4. You get the choice of an AMD or Intel processor, excellent build quality, and a 200dpi 3:2 touchscreen. And if you choose the "busin…

>> Avoid Microsoft Surface Laptops, which require patches to run Linux,

> But that screen on the Surface Laptop!

I've been considering the Surface Laptop for the 3:2, high PPI screen. According to this [0] so long as you have a recent stock kernel, the only things that don't work are pen and touchscreen (touch screen requires kernel patches on Intel arch, AMD doesn't support at all). I can live without both.

[0] https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Supporte...

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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Well, you might be able to make it work, but the OS simply leaves you less freedom compared to a Linux machine. And you would need to jump through hoops. I am an embedded dev and I have tried. Theoretically it is possible, but you would miss a lot of tooling on the way. I don't really care about performance that much. I have an MB Air with M1 and I like it because the battery and display is very good. But it isn't re…

Unique devices is definitely a concern! I wasn't sure when I got my Garmin watch if I'd be able to update it from my mac. Thankfully I can.

I had to connect a work Macbook to Ethernet. It didn't have a port so I bought a no-name brand USB-to-RJ45 adapter off Amazon. Come to find macOS doesn't have driver support for the adapter even though Windows and Linux are both plug and play. And I wasn't willing to do some backdoor process to install drivers on a work laptop. I had to buy a Apple branded adapter, which was 2x the price and only USB 2 vs the other one being USB 3.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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If you're going for a Thinkpad, the T480 from a couple of years ago seems to be the gold standard. The current successor of that model is the T14, but I have no idea if it's as good. I got an X1 Extreme, which is a gorgeous machine, and very powerful, but it eats through its power like no laptop I've seen before. Battery charge rarely lasts more than 2 hours. One big advantage of the high-end Thinkpads: they're spill…

I have a 2021 T14, upgraded from a T460p. It's a bit underwhelming if I'm being honest. Ubuntu seems to have more problems with it than with the T460p: - Crashes more than before. This has only been 2 or 3 times, but it's still 2 or 3 times for than it should. - Has random issues, like graphical glitches, with builtin and external 4K displays. Right now I keep the resolution at 1080 because it's annoying. - Has more…

> Has more issues going into and out of sleep.

I doubt that's unique to the T14, though. Every recent laptop and desktop I know seems to have trouble sleeping lately. Either they refuse to go to sleep, or they do, but randomly wake up and then stay on. I don't know what's causing this PC insomnia epidemic.

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