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Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK

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Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK

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Post by keddad »

cryptonector wrote: post #10
keddad wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a bit skeptical about Tails and other comsec tools which are a full OS instead of small, separate app. I don't have the time or knowledge to inspect full OS image in detail, and it feels like "secure communications, protected from the guys you don't like" is exactly the thing the "guys you don't like", like government, would create, with proper backdoors in place. After all, that had happened numerously before. (…

Apps can be observed by the host OS, so if you're looking for an app that is secure relative to the host OS, then you're looking for unobtanium and instead need a host OS you can trust. OTOH, the big lesson of Clipper is that every OS, every app, every platform, can be hacked by nation state adversaries.

No, I'm looking for an app which will be secure, as in, lack backdoors or obvious security issues. I understand that OS can compromise it, but I more or less trust my normal OS, and it seems weird to use a "secured" OS, because that's where I'd expect all the backdoors to be. Not to mention the fact that if your threat vector is "Apple looking through you photos", you probably don't even need anything special in the first place - popular Linux disto with some Matrix client will be just fine.

Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK

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Post by brimble »

niiinnneee9981 wrote: post #6

I really am against these tools -- the cost is extremely high for a relatively small amount of perpetrators. And any pedophile will know about this and simply disconnect from the Cloud or do everything offline. ...meanwhile everyone else's nude/promiscuous/ all of your other personal photos will be scanned. it is a huge breach of privacy and it really makes me consider whether Apple is the company for me. apparently…

This is about kids sending each other nudes, not the broader iCloud scanning thing that was all over the news a while back.

Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK

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Post by novok »

legrande wrote: post #3

> Apple does not get access to the messages I routinely look at the network traffic of my iDevice and see a tonne of traffic being sent to Apple. I can't see the contents of the traffic, since 99% of it is encrypted, but I can safely say Apple is very cozy with your device. Just assume Apple can see everything, and change your behavior accordingly. If I want secure comms, I use battle-hardened things like Tails[0]. W…

Probably for the very simple reasons of convenience and wanting to use a mobile device to communicate? A clunky laptop with low / no state is not that.

We all know 'it doesn't have to be this way'. There is nothing special about your personal OS needing to phone home on you. I think people are more likely to use something like LinageOS vs something like tails if they want 'more secure' communications than to drag a laptop around with Tails.

Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK

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Post by lnsru »

I am just curious about Apple watching my iPhone usage. Sometimes I tend to think, that Apple creates a profile as an applicant there just from phone usage. Apple knows about my not healthy relationship with the phone. Apple also knows about my extended lunch breaks walking with colleagues. Apple knows about my interests from photos taken with iPhone. Some days I just want to get some old used Nokia or Siemens C35 and hide from all this surveillance and profiling.

I am also curious about iPhone demographics. I seriously doubt, that German teenagers get iPads and iPhones instead of cheap (and easily replaceable) androids.

Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK

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Post by zmgsabst »

ribosometronome wrote: post #5
fsflover wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> optional(!) feature Until it's not. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28309202 .

Did you read this article? It's re: functionality that would notify a parent account if a child account had received or sent a message potentially containing nudity. It's a difficult thing to force upon folk who don't want it, as you don't have to mark accounts as being for children.

Right — and how long until they (re)deploy CSAM scanning for all accounts, based on the same technology?

Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK

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Post by Someone »

zmgsabst wrote: post #15
ribosometronome wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read this article? It's re: functionality that would notify a parent account if a child account had received or sent a message potentially containing nudity. It's a difficult thing to force upon folk who don't want it, as you don't have to mark accounts as being for children.

Right — and how long until they (re)deploy CSAM scanning for all accounts, based on the same technology?

If we forbade all technology that could be used to do harm, we wouldn’t have much technology left, if any.

Hammers can and have been used to kill people, as have axes, bricks, cars, electricity, fire, gas, ropes, water, etc.

In this case, the question is whether you trust Apple to do what it says it does and not more. If you do, you can use the current iPhone. If you don’t, you can’t use any iPhone they ever produced.

Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK

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Post by some-human »

This will sure stop the only 2 children in the UK that use iMessages?

I'm not sure if this is going to be rolled into other apps or the camera app itself but the main app kids use to communicate in the schools in my local area are Snapchat, TikTok and Insta DMs, and they have Facebook messenger and WhatsApp for messages from their parents.

I'm sure some of them aren't even aware there is a stock messaging app.

Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK

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Post by nomel »

zmgsabst wrote: post #15
ribosometronome wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read this article? It's re: functionality that would notify a parent account if a child account had received or sent a message potentially containing nudity. It's a difficult thing to force upon folk who don't want it, as you don't have to mark accounts as being for children.

Right — and how long until they (re)deploy CSAM scanning for all accounts, based on the same technology?

> (re)deploy CSAM scanning for all accounts

Isn't Apple already scanning, just in iCloud, like all the other cloud providers?

Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK

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Post by misnome »

zmgsabst wrote: post #15
ribosometronome wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read this article? It's re: functionality that would notify a parent account if a child account had received or sent a message potentially containing nudity. It's a difficult thing to force upon folk who don't want it, as you don't have to mark accounts as being for children.

Right — and how long until they (re)deploy CSAM scanning for all accounts, based on the same technology?

How does this help them do that, when they could just do it anyway?
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