Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK
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Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK
#2To be honest, I find this optional(!) feature much more appealing than the use of the word "safety" in this context.
Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK
#3> Apple does not get access to the messages
I routinely look at the network traffic of my iDevice and see a tonne of traffic being sent to Apple. I can't see the contents of the traffic, since 99% of it is encrypted, but I can safely say Apple is very cozy with your device. Just assume Apple can see everything, and change your behavior accordingly. If I want secure comms, I use battle-hardened things like Tails[0].
What is with the very low adoption of comsec tools like Tails? Does everyone think it's crimeware and only used by criminals? Because I do a lot of my surfing with Tor, but that doesn't mean I'm a darknet drugs kingpin does it?
Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK
#4To be honest, I find this optional(!) feature much more appealing than the use of the word "safety" in this context.
> optional(!) feature
Until it's not. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28309202.
Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK
#5To be honest, I find this optional(!) feature much more appealing than the use of the word "safety" in this context.
> optional(!) feature Until it's not. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28309202 .
Did you read this article? It's re: functionality that would notify a parent account if a child account had received or sent a message potentially containing nudity. It's a difficult thing to force upon folk who don't want it, as you don't have to mark accounts as being for children.
Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK
#6I really am against these tools -- the cost is extremely high for a relatively small amount of perpetrators. And any pedophile will know about this and simply disconnect from the Cloud or do everything offline.
...meanwhile everyone else's nude/promiscuous/ all of your other personal photos will be scanned. it is a huge breach of privacy and it really makes me consider whether Apple is the company for me. apparently it is optional but that other furthers the idea - why would a pedophile accept this tool on their phone?
Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK
#7> Apple does not get access to the messages I routinely look at the network traffic of my iDevice and see a tonne of traffic being sent to Apple. I can't see the contents of the traffic, since 99% of it is encrypted, but I can safely say Apple is very cozy with your device. Just assume Apple can see everything, and change your behavior accordingly. If I want secure comms, I use battle-hardened things like Tails[0]. W…
I'm a bit skeptical about Tails and other comsec tools which are a full OS instead of small, separate app. I don't have the time or knowledge to inspect full OS image in detail, and it feels like "secure communications, protected from the guys you don't like" is exactly the thing the "guys you don't like", like government, would create, with proper backdoors in place. After all, that had happened numerously before. (Crypto AG, that story about CIA gaining control of some "secure messaging" devices, etc)
Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK
#8I really am against these tools -- the cost is extremely high for a relatively small amount of perpetrators. And any pedophile will know about this and simply disconnect from the Cloud or do everything offline. ...meanwhile everyone else's nude/promiscuous/ all of your other personal photos will be scanned. it is a huge breach of privacy and it really makes me consider whether Apple is the company for me. apparently…
You should read the article before replying
Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK
#9This is also available in the US, I enabled this on my kid's dedicated iPad linked to a family/child Apple account. There's no real downside, and it is entirely optional.
I suspect some replies are confusing this with iCloud photo scanning (for e.g. CP), whereas this is a different feature entirely, they just happen to have been announced at the same time which caused a lot of people to treat them as a monolith.
See: https://www.apple.com/child-safety/
The biggest problem with Apple's family features right now is that it literally costs more to use. If you share a parent account with a child (or multiple), all IAPs are also shared, whereas if you create a child Apple account app purchases are correctly shared (and some Apple subscriptions) but IAPs are not, resulting in re-buys for every connected device.
There is, in theory, some IAPs that share through family sharing, but they're very rare and there's no way to determine which are what before you buy.
Re: Apple to roll out child safety feature that scans messages for nudity to UK
#10> Apple does not get access to the messages I routinely look at the network traffic of my iDevice and see a tonne of traffic being sent to Apple. I can't see the contents of the traffic, since 99% of it is encrypted, but I can safely say Apple is very cozy with your device. Just assume Apple can see everything, and change your behavior accordingly. If I want secure comms, I use battle-hardened things like Tails[0]. W…
I'm a bit skeptical about Tails and other comsec tools which are a full OS instead of small, separate app. I don't have the time or knowledge to inspect full OS image in detail, and it feels like "secure communications, protected from the guys you don't like" is exactly the thing the "guys you don't like", like government, would create, with proper backdoors in place. After all, that had happened numerously before. (…
Apps can be observed by the host OS, so if you're looking for an app that is secure relative to the host OS, then you're looking for unobtanium and instead need a host OS you can trust.
OTOH, the big lesson of Clipper is that every OS, every app, every platform, can be hacked by nation state adversaries.