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On anti-crypto toxicity

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Re: On anti-crypto toxicity

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Right, anyone can generate NFTs though. How does this differ from saying something like "the artist who called an empty room art is the jumping the shark moment, now I'm advocating against art at every turn"?

Lots of art is pretty dumb, I don't advocate against it because who has time to go advocate against dumb, pointless things? Just avoid it. I'm not into art, not into NFTs, but while bumbling around in the world I've encountered enough genuinely beautiful art that I don't think the field as a whole is a joke. This isn't the case for NFTs. On the other hand, NFTs are pretty new. Maybe someone will make a museum of NFTs…

Sotheby's is already selling them. That to me indicates they're here to stay, for better or for worse.

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post #338

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> a corrupt government and highly inflationary currency As a sibling comment said, they move to a separate able currency like dollars or Euro. No one in their right mind will move to a fantasy token whose value oscillates up and down every second, sometimes to within several orders of magnitude. Bitcoin's price fluctuation in the past year is 200% Etherum's is ~300% Monero, 330% It's not as bad as Venezuela's or Zomb…

Volatility!=Inflation

Hyperinflation is one-way volatility. In either case the value changes rapidly making the "currency" in question useless as a long-term store of value.

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post #447

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I'm not sure how the advice of "just pass a law" is anything other than blind trust. If you didn't think I was advocating crypto, then what purpose does: > And crypto isn't dominated by the wealthy and being used to serve their ends? Open your eyes my friend serve? Why would you mention something completely unrelated to their point, then tell them to open their eyes? To me it sounds like you're retroactively recastin…

> "just pass a law" If I search for that phrase you are quoting/referencing in this thread, you are the only one using it. I explained what point I was making. Do you have anything to contribute beyond attacking your strawman over and over?

> You make a law that everyone must be served by the banks. Easy.

Here is the "just pass a law" line. I've summarized a line that makes this exact point. I see no straw-men here. Can you point out where I make a straw-man? Genuinely interested in why you see this as creating a straw-man in my summary. I fail to see how else you can interpret other than 'just pass a law'.

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post #484

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In addition to that I would add it needs to be a real store of value. Over any moderate timescale (a few years, say), it should reasonably maintain its value over that period. Swings of 40% purchasing power are unacceptable for a useful currency. Sure, bitcoin maximalists love to point out that if you bought it a year ago, it's up XXX%. But what if I bought near its high value? Not so good a proposition then.

Is the money in your bank account a real store of value? Do you not notice what’s been happening to it at an accelerated pace over the last 30 years? I’m not arguing for bitcoin either way. But I implore you to take a hard look at your definition of real value in a system with inherent inflation that forces you to speculate in order to preserve any “real value.”

> inherent inflation that forces you to speculate in order to preserve any “real value.”

Wow, also this!

Say inflation is 8.5%, and you're holding an ounce of gold, then that gold raises by 8.5% in kind, you are still losing value as now you have to pay taxes on the 8.5% gained even though you didn't really gain anything.

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post #484

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In addition to that I would add it needs to be a real store of value. Over any moderate timescale (a few years, say), it should reasonably maintain its value over that period. Swings of 40% purchasing power are unacceptable for a useful currency. Sure, bitcoin maximalists love to point out that if you bought it a year ago, it's up XXX%. But what if I bought near its high value? Not so good a proposition then.

Is the money in your bank account a real store of value? Do you not notice what’s been happening to it at an accelerated pace over the last 30 years? I’m not arguing for bitcoin either way. But I implore you to take a hard look at your definition of real value in a system with inherent inflation that forces you to speculate in order to preserve any “real value.”

> Is the money in your bank account a real store of value?

Cash encompasses physical notes, bank deposits and Treasuries. On one end, we have a form optimized for transacting. On the other, for transporting value over time [1].

Bitcoin is less efficient than Visa or Mastercard. It's more volatile than a Treasury.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DLTIIT

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post #338

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> a corrupt government and highly inflationary currency As a sibling comment said, they move to a separate able currency like dollars or Euro. No one in their right mind will move to a fantasy token whose value oscillates up and down every second, sometimes to within several orders of magnitude. Bitcoin's price fluctuation in the past year is 200% Etherum's is ~300% Monero, 330% It's not as bad as Venezuela's or Zomb…

Volatility!=Inflation

From the point of view of people who live with a volatile currency (aka highly inflationary) it doesn't really matter, does it?

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post #452

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BTC was the only way I was able to pay for hosting/domain for my non-commercial pet-project (~1,5 years of almost daily after hours development) after sanctions raised against the country I live in. This is my anecdotal experience (and no, I don't invest in crypto), but that's enough for me to not consider cryptocurrencies "just scum". P.S. Also I pay for VPN with it, because this is also the only way at the moment,…

I'd be interested to hear who you bought the hosting from, I'm sure the US government would also like to hear who has been helping you evade sanctions. Sanctions are there for a reason.

Yeah, "crypto is great because it allowed me and my co conspirators to do illegal things" isn't gonna be the most persuasive to governments or above-board businesses -- love the rebellious spirit though.

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I just want to say that I really appreciate the writing style in this article. I consider crypto a highly-politicized subject, but there are ways of talking about such things without getting political. Specifically:

But I also think that these proposed solutions are enormously attractive to people who see them as a tangible option in a world where these problems are not being solved—where we are being failed by our political establishments in so, so many ways.

I may disagree with the author about where to place blame, but I think saying "political establishments" is more authentic than "the government". At least in the US, it's We the People. We're the government. So when I hear anti-government sentiments, I generally start to discount whatever it is that the person is saying. Especially in this era, when the main problem is concentrated wealth in private institutions and corporations, who unlike the government, operate outside of election oversight. Meaning we can't throw them out of office when they do wrong.

And that's been my main concern with stuff like crypto. I feel the sentiment that the political establishment often lets us all down. But rather than creating an anarchist playground in crypto to get mathematically free of regulation, maybe it might have been good to put some energy into getting involved politically and solving the actual problems. Vote, raise money for non-establishment candidates, run for office, all that stuff.

The long game for crypto looks like any other unregulated game: winner takes all. Perfect wealth inequality. Whatever edge I think I may have to skim a little capital out of that pool, would only end up being used to exacerbate inequality as I take from someone else. Which is why I feel that the original goal of crypto to empower people (by bypassing the rules of the system) is only going to backfire and make things worse. Just like with trickle-down economics, the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act or any other policy that claimed it would enrich all but only enriched some.

We don't fix the evils of the system by feeding from it. We fix them by paying into the good, getting involved and doing the work.

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post #415

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This is a prime example of what others were saying! We asked for an example of "good/useful/entertaining websites", and you are giving us technology demos, something that is only interesting to Web3 people. How about some real-life useful stuff? Don't give me youtube, show me Kurzgesagt channel. Don't talk about Javascript, DOM and browser optimization, show me Google Maps. Right now, all the stuff Web3 people produc…

You are basically saying "these GNU people only produce things that are interesting for people into software stuff. Don't give me a C compiler, give me Visicalc."

It's not because this is not "real-life" enough for you that it means that it is not worthy of being done.

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