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On anti-crypto toxicity

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Re: On anti-crypto toxicity

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As somebody who's delved into the crypto world and attempted to provide utility in the space by building a token aggregator / scam detector [1], I'm more disillusioned than ever with the state of crypto.

"Legitimate" projects are in between a rock and a hard place - either pay outrageous sums to the shillers or have no avenue to promote your project, as Google/Twitter/Facebook won't touch your crypto ads. Instead of the decentralised utopia we were promised, we've shifted power from traditional marketing channels with a vested interest in providing some ROI to scammers with no accountability, only in it to make a dollar at whatever cost. Scammers and hustlers are the gatekeepers of new tokens - unless you're paying thousands of dollars [2], it's almost impossible to get recognised.

Most projects are scams/get-rich-quick schemes preying on people's ignorance. There are well intentioned tokens out there, but even these have very dubious links between the price of the token and the utility of the project. The buybacks, reflections, stable-coin rewards, promises of guaranteed returns b/c we reinvest into other projects quickly part the ignorant from their hard-earned. Any attempt to dig deeper and understand project economics are met with the same platitudes and flawed arguments.

Of course there's the other side of the ecosystem where smart and talented people are raising VC money and working on interesting problems. I do believe there's something there around business model innovations (e.g. near fee-less micro-transactions tied to a crypto identity as a low impedance alternative to SSO) or technological innovations (blockchain-based serverless compute powering dApps - I do see a whole host of problems to which smart contract based dApps are a viable solution). The end result of this isn't a financial revolution but rather a host of entrepreneurs utilising web3 technologies to build the next generation of software startups.

[1] - https://agentsinu.com

[2] - 5k-10k USD for a single Telegram post is not uncommon

Re: On anti-crypto toxicity

#473

Unfortunately, given: "How can we create a more equitable financial system, where everyone has access to banking services? How can we reduce the power that a small few currently hold over the web? How can we improve data privacy and ensure that people have control over their personal information? How can we create reasonable privacy in the financial system? How can we make information more available to everyone? How…

I mean, it’s great if crypto makes more people think about these questions, even if it’s not the answer. OTOH we’re also seeing it mess up problems for which perfectly valid solutions already exist. In Germany a couple “digital government” projects had a pretty bad start because they used blockchains where they likely didn’t have to.

I agree in sentiment with your statement that if this shines a light on a problem and we get more valuable thoughts generated then that is an asset. However there is also the opportunity cost of this which is quite significant. Imagine the benefits we could accrue from humanity if we had put all this talent, capital and energy into a significant human problem? Obviously I'm being hypothetical because there is no way to coalesce efforts on that scale without self interest at the heart of it.

Re: On anti-crypto toxicity

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It's unfortunate that Bitcoin has become so mired in partisan politics. For me its purpose is simple. If my money is a representation of my time and effort, why should I accept the central banks' inflation "target" of even 2%, due to money printing? I don't see why anyone should be okay with that, particularly given that central banks rarely meet that target for long and more often than not overshoot by a significant…

Money is a leaky representation of your time and effort that we accept because it is better than isolated subsistence agriculture. It's purpose is to motivate you to devote time and effort to satisfying the needs and wants of other people, opinions differ on how well it accomplishes that. Mine is roughly it's not very good but I don't think bitcoin as it exists is likely an improvement. I kind of suspect you're missi…

> it is better than isolated subsistence agriculture.

Have you ever considered why banks look like temples?

Do you know the weight of a shekle?

Consider discovering more about these topics before you opine on "money".

> Maybe try thinking through the relationship between not consuming something now, and wanting to consume something in the future without using the idea of money?

Do you know about "time preference"? Do you appreciate how an inflationary currency promotes a shorter time preference? Can you see how that impacts the world by promoting rapid consumption?

Consider investigating how hard money impacts time preference.

Re: On anti-crypto toxicity

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> Problem is that this democracy/central bank is not stable in every country. So crypto provides real "internet money", with all benefits and drawbacks. Except that, from a practical perspective, if you live in a country without a stable "democracy/central bank," using fiat from a stable country (e.g. dollars or euros) is a better solution than cryptocurrency in pretty much all cases. AFAIK, cryptocurrency isn't in p…

Well on your last point it does. "Money should be inflationary" is a "weird ideological monetary policy idea" it's just one that you agree with?

> Well on your last point it does. "Money should be inflationary" is a "weird ideological monetary policy idea" it's just one that you agree with?

The idea that money should be stable with mild inflation seems to be the consensus view of the people (in multiple countries!) who actually have responsibility for the economy as a whole, and the economies that have stumbled into deflation don't seem very healthy.

Deflationary money seems to mainly appeal to people who are most concerned about jealously guarding the value of their little private hoard. Bitcoin was likely designed by someone like that who happened to be a talented programmer.

Re: On anti-crypto toxicity

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That’s the issue, even Bitcoin can’t really be used as currency anymore. I used bitcoin when it was still new. In our friend circle, we paid each other with thousands of bitcoins for a single pizza back then. And yet it was still more usable as currency back then than it is nowadays.

You can use the Lightning Network to send Bitcoins instantly.

Lightning is not Bitcoin. The implemented design of Lightning is a highly centralised off-chain layer 2 [0] which is a direct contradiction and defeats the whole purpose of what Bitcoin was designed and built for: ' a peer-to-peer electronic cash system'

Bitcoin has failed in being an efficient on-chain payments system and is somehow now an investment asset since that is its new narrative which is also a 'store of value' or 'digital gold'.

It seems that many supporters have admitted that it is not useful for its original purpose and that it is not instant, significantly slower than VISA and a extremely volatile to use as a currency.

[0] https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/aba062

Re: On anti-crypto toxicity

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Respectfully, pointing at the Unlock protocol and justifying it with "poor people dealing with hyperinflation" is a bit disingenuous. The unlock protocol (and, to a lesser degree, ENS) is not about or for poor people. It's for socialites in first world countries with money to burn.

Or for people who ate shut out from PayPal/Stripe and any possibility of doing business online. You talk about socialites, but your kind of comment is the most "let them have cake" type of mentality.

Do you know of any websites which are run by people who are shut out from PayPal/Stripe, and which use cryptocurrencies?

So far most crypto-related websites seem to be run by people from rich countries with full access to banking system.

Re: On anti-crypto toxicity

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FWIW, I haven’t seen one “Web3” application. All I ever see is folks singing its potential from the rafters. Loudly. Perhaps the “web 3” evangelists can switch to show more of these apps, and the real world value they provide.

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Neither of those solve any real problems. This is literally the classic crypto "Solution looking for a problem"

Re: On anti-crypto toxicity

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100% agree, and I must add: Those are all political problems. Technology does not solve political problems. Politics solves political problems. All cryptocurrency does is obfuscate the politics behind its monetary system. As flawed as our monetary system is, the politics behind it are visible and under control of a government. In my country, my government is elected, and I'm an active and informed voter. Thus, I thin…

> Technology does not solve political problems. Bitcoin has solved an international transaction of money which were political problem.

> Bitcoin has solved an international transaction of money which were political problem.

That is a problem that was already solved. I've personally bought things from foreign countries (in person, and via mail order) with a credit card.

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No. It's asking society to correct itself via legislation (we've done that before). It's slower and less sexy than new-tech and has a better track record.

> via legislation (we've done that before). it would be helpful to me if you could cite an example. i don't actually think this is true.

are you asking for examples of things that were outlawed?
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