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HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Post by foobiekr »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #10
Andoryuuta wrote: post #8

This same DMCA company (WorthIT Solutions) previously tried to DMCA the php docs range function page on behalf of HackerRank [0]. Pretty crazy. [0]: https://www.mail-archive.com/php-webmaster@lists.php.net/msg...

One way for HackerRank to do the right thing would be to sue WorthIT for breach of contract and loss of reputation. Their contract must have included some requirements for due diligence on filing those notices, and having these bogus DMCA notices does hurt HackerRank’s reputation, especially with its target audience. Only way to make this stop is make companies like WorthIT feel financial pain from their actions.

You’re assuming that this company is actually a separate entity and not some sketchy relatives of the hackerrank management providing for international cover for their bogus DMCA attacks.

Which is exactly what it is.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Post by foobiekr »

rvivek wrote: post #159

Hello again, Vivek, founder/CEO here. In the interest of moving swiftly, here are the actions we are going to take: (1) We have withdrawn the DMCA notice for sympy; Sent a note to senior leadership in Github to act on this quickly. (2) We have stopped the whole DMCA process for now and working on internal guidelines of what constitutes a real violation so that these kind of incidents don't happen. We are going to do…

“For now”

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Post by b20000 »

29athrowaway wrote: post #205
b20000 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a good college education covers all of the above. we don't need HR or LC.

1. Surprisingly, there are master's degrees in computer science out there that cannot solve fizzbuzz. 2. No license is required to work as a software engineer. 3. It is up to each company to verify their candidates.

fizzbuzz is the least of your concern if you do these type of interviews. the problem is that you will be asked a question which required several hours to produce an optimal solution, yet you are supposed to deliver this solution in under 5-10 minutes, and the only way to do that, is to repeatedly grind the solution and memorize it and then quickly reproduce it in the interview. as such, the style of interviewing is broken, and optimizes for candidates willing to endlessly grind LC or HR, and memorize the solutions. in the end, everyone loses. coding interviews are there to exhaust the candidate so when the offer stage finally arrives, they take any offer. all it does it put everyone in a bad position.

and you are mistaken that it's up to the company to decide what happens. as an industry of professionals, it is our decision.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Post by akersten »

rvivek wrote: post #159

Hello again, Vivek, founder/CEO here. In the interest of moving swiftly, here are the actions we are going to take: (1) We have withdrawn the DMCA notice for sympy; Sent a note to senior leadership in Github to act on this quickly. (2) We have stopped the whole DMCA process for now and working on internal guidelines of what constitutes a real violation so that these kind of incidents don't happen. We are going to do…

"For now" isn't enough, it needs to be "for good."

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Post by mardifoufs »

not2b wrote: post #97
perihelions wrote: post #60

Unpopular opinion: FOSS projects shouldn't bother hosting under US jurisdiction. There's absolutely no upside for a nonprofit, and our supercharged lawfare culture causes endless headaches for everyone -- even the most innocent software in the whole world, like a symbolic algebra library. It's so depressing to see well-meaning philanthropy apathetically trampled by thugs in suits.

Unfortunately there have been similar problems in other jurisdictions. It's far from clear who is "safe". For example, the EU now has a DMCA-like copyright takedown process.

The DMCA is very very tame compared to the new EU copyright rules though. By an order of magnitude imo.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Post by riffraff »

ep103 wrote: post #213
ryukoposting wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who (last week) ok'ed a guy with 35 years experience to skip the first round of interviews, only to then watch him struggle to write syntactically-correct code in a language he's (allegedly) been using for longer than I've been alive, I disagree. HR isn't a be-all-end-all metric, and it certainly has its faults, but it's very useful as a first-round filter.

If you're just using HackerRank as a first round filter to see if they can write syntactically-correct code in a language... you don't need hackerRank. Or to restate this, if your interview process can't filter out such a candidate without using hackerRank, your interview process itself is flawed.

Their interview process surely can handle "can this person code fizzbuzz", but it makes no sense to take time from one of your engineers to test this when it can be trivially handled by something like hackerrank.

I don't understand why people find this practice questionable, it saves time for both company and candidate.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Post by cstejerean »

orangepurple wrote: post #165
Andoryuuta wrote: post #8

This same DMCA company (WorthIT Solutions) previously tried to DMCA the php docs range function page on behalf of HackerRank [0]. Pretty crazy. [0]: https://www.mail-archive.com/php-webmaster@lists.php.net/msg...

Not only that but the ENTIRE TEAM SECTION ON THEIR WEBSITE (worthitsolutions.co) IS A BLATANT LIE. Not one of those people is real. Every single biography link leads to Lorem Ipsum. It's a shady, secretive sweatshop operating out of Lahore, Pakistan.

I think that entire page is left over from the Pitch Wordpress template that they used for the website, it even links to the Pitch live preview site.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Post by Nextgrid »

orangepurple wrote: post #165
Andoryuuta wrote: post #8

This same DMCA company (WorthIT Solutions) previously tried to DMCA the php docs range function page on behalf of HackerRank [0]. Pretty crazy. [0]: https://www.mail-archive.com/php-webmaster@lists.php.net/msg...

Not only that but the ENTIRE TEAM SECTION ON THEIR WEBSITE (worthitsolutions.co) IS A BLATANT LIE. Not one of those people is real. Every single biography link leads to Lorem Ipsum. It's a shady, secretive sweatshop operating out of Lahore, Pakistan.

I didn't want to mention it in my other comment but the mere mention of "Pvt Limited" in the DMCA takedown led me to believe the company is a disgusting boiler room right next to the tech support scammers we all know (if not literally the same scammers moonlighting as DMCA enforcers). It does seem I was right and stereotypes (unfortunately for the legitimate companies from these regions) still work.
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