In the 1980s we were told that if you were in a group that you are unable to question the authority of, you were in a cult.
Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden
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Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden
#42Sweden’s death toll is at least twice as much as all it’s comparable neighbors and it’s economy was the worst performing of the lot.
There is no point comparing Sweden to “at least 56 countries that did worse” because Sweden is a highly advanced society with excellent healthcare infrastructure (poor healthcare infrastructure is very strongly correlated with worse outcomes).
Sweden’s entire original approach (which they changed, btw, after which their death rate plummeted) was based on a single fallacy. That asymptomatic people did not spread COVID. Unfortunately, since Tegnell refused to initially believe this, which led to a lot of deaths, he doubled down until the evidence for asymptomatic spread became too strong to ignore, at which point Sweden also did change their approach, and incorporated lockdowns, etc into the mix of tools that they used.
Of course, by that point our understanding of COVID was much better, testing was far more prevalent and widespread, efc. So lockdowns we’re not really necessary outside of rare circumstances.
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#43Well regarding the Western response to COVID and “lockdowns” - Tell this story to doctors and nurses in wards where young people died gasping for breath (so many I personally know of) - of course we needed to lockdown Insane that a contagious disease directly killed over 50,000 young people (under age 50) in the usa alone and we are still debating if our lockdown response was disproportionate? It’s simple - people we…
You personally know many young people who died, gasping for breath? I'm so sorry. However - you can't argue that "we need to lockdown to stop Covid until it mutates". In fact, until recently, the argument I was commonly presented with was "we NEED to vaccinate everyone and keep restrictions so it DOESN'T mutate into a deadlier version!" Saying that, hard to imagine a deadlier version than the horrible monstrosity tha…
Omicron and Delta were both more deadly and more contagious than the early 2020 versions of COVID, so you don’t need to imagine.
It was only the prevalence of vaccinations that prevented things from getting much worse. As far as the unvaccinated were concerned, the impact was devastating.
Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden
#44Well regarding the Western response to COVID and “lockdowns” - Tell this story to doctors and nurses in wards where young people died gasping for breath (so many I personally know of) - of course we needed to lockdown Insane that a contagious disease directly killed over 50,000 young people (under age 50) in the usa alone and we are still debating if our lockdown response was disproportionate? It’s simple - people we…
I don't think there is much if a debate. Our lockdown was disproportionate.
50k people died under the age of 50. Some were in lockdown some weren't. How many people committed suicide because of the lockdown? How many were abused because of it? What was the cost of the lockdown?
In a single year about 30k people under 50 die due to poisoning(drug overdose or other) and about 20k die from car accidents.
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> I honestly have to chuckle at the delusional victim complex people have to give themselves as some kind of validation for their beliefs. Okay, jackass. If you're going to say something so incendiary, I'm going to assume your feelings apply consistently across all issues. Things like racism, sexism, transgender rights, climate, and others that don't immediately come to mind. After all, if you're so cavalier in dismi…
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
You personally know many young people who died, gasping for breath? I'm so sorry. However - you can't argue that "we need to lockdown to stop Covid until it mutates". In fact, until recently, the argument I was commonly presented with was "we NEED to vaccinate everyone and keep restrictions so it DOESN'T mutate into a deadlier version!" Saying that, hard to imagine a deadlier version than the horrible monstrosity tha…
Omicron and Delta were both more deadly and more contagious than the early 2020 versions of COVID, so you don’t need to imagine. It was only the prevalence of vaccinations that prevented things from getting much worse. As far as the unvaccinated were concerned, the impact was devastating.
>Omicron and Delta were both more deadly
Just goes to show the difference in public messaging. Where I live, all the headlines said that Omicron and Delta were less deadly (but more contagious). Then again, Delta arrived here just as the vaccination campaign was starting, so where were not many column inches left to discuss the new variant.
>so you don’t need to imagine.
I sure do. I have yet to meet anyone who's had more than flu-like symptoms with any strain of Covid, and I doubt my experience is particularly unique.
Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden
#47In the 1980s we were told that if you were in a group that you are unable to question the authority of, you were in a cult.
How times change, in an information-rich environment. In the 2020s, if someone tells you to disbelieve every expert all the time, because "what to they know?" then that's cult-like behaviour.
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#48No mention of the article's subject matter - Sweden - until paragraph 6. Sorry, you lost me.
It was weird. I felt like half way through when someone asked me what I was reading I told them I wasn't sure.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
You personally know many young people who died, gasping for breath? I'm so sorry. However - you can't argue that "we need to lockdown to stop Covid until it mutates". In fact, until recently, the argument I was commonly presented with was "we NEED to vaccinate everyone and keep restrictions so it DOESN'T mutate into a deadlier version!" Saying that, hard to imagine a deadlier version than the horrible monstrosity tha…
Omicron and Delta were both more deadly and more contagious than the early 2020 versions of COVID, so you don’t need to imagine. It was only the prevalence of vaccinations that prevented things from getting much worse. As far as the unvaccinated were concerned, the impact was devastating.
To add to this lockdowns saved a lot of vulnerable people from early exposure until vaccines became available. The fact that omicron is now considered mild is because we are facing it while vaccinated.
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> I honestly have to chuckle at the delusional victim complex people have to give themselves as some kind of validation for their beliefs. Okay, jackass. If you're going to say something so incendiary, I'm going to assume your feelings apply consistently across all issues. Things like racism, sexism, transgender rights, climate, and others that don't immediately come to mind. After all, if you're so cavalier in dismi…
Please don't break the HN guidelines like this, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are.
The GP comment was also breaking the guidelines but you went way over the line here. That's not cool.