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It’s Still Stupidly, Difficult to Buy a ‘Dumb’ TV

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Re: It’s Still Stupidly, Difficult to Buy a ‘Dumb’ TV

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For a tech periodical, this seems to be a stretch for content. Thirty seconds poking around the interwebs led me to this Samsung 65” 4K “digital signage” for $1125: https://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/4k-uhd/qb-serie... 43, 50, 55, 75, and 85 also available. I assume that these are as good as or better than most people have in their homes (esp. with Vizio), but probably not as good as what home theater enthu…

It appears you made no attempt to understand the problem. People want a decent TV. They want the alphabet soup 4K UHD OLED QLED etc. They want to be able to pick the size of the TV. And they don't want their TV to spy on them or show them additional advertisements. My experience with digital sign TVs is they are much more expensive than the equivalent TV. They add on small business tools to display advertisements and…

> It appears you made no attempt to understand the problem.

Did I?

The article says it’s “stupidly difficult” to find a dumb TV. I think I showed that it’s not.

Regarding all the other stuff you said:

- It seems like you want the TV makers to cater to you your needs and wants in terms of feature set and distribution channel for your dumb TV. Why would they choose to make it easy to buy a dumb tv when there is more money in selling you a smart tv?

- Regarding your dumb tv purchase, I don’t know where you’re located, but these limits for a dumb TV simply aren’t true in the US unless you want something very niche.

- Do you think your needs are representative of the market while also being equally or more profitable than what is currently available? At this point, most people who want a dumb tv are going to have to make a few compromises that, for most people, are minor. I think that’s a fair trade —- sad that it needs to work that way, but fair.

Re: It’s Still Stupidly, Difficult to Buy a ‘Dumb’ TV

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It appears you made no attempt to understand the problem. People want a decent TV. They want the alphabet soup 4K UHD OLED QLED etc. They want to be able to pick the size of the TV. And they don't want their TV to spy on them or show them additional advertisements. My experience with digital sign TVs is they are much more expensive than the equivalent TV. They add on small business tools to display advertisements and…

> It appears you made no attempt to understand the problem. Did I? The article says it’s “stupidly difficult” to find a dumb TV. I think I showed that it’s not. Regarding all the other stuff you said: - It seems like you want the TV makers to cater to you your needs and wants in terms of feature set and distribution channel for your dumb TV. Why would they choose to make it easy to buy a dumb tv when there is more mo…

Let's agree to disagree that you proved the OP wrong. I think it is clear from my comment that I understand I am not representative of the market. I am still frustrated with the trade-offs that exist.

I am US based, and I wrote about my personal experience buying a "dumb" TV in the US.

Re: It’s Still Stupidly, Difficult to Buy a ‘Dumb’ TV

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I also own a TCL Roku TV and the interface is easily twice as slow as my Roku Ultra. Right on the home screen is a giant ad(unless you have network adblocking). Over the years Roku and Google have been fighting about Youtube/Youtube TV on Roku, just like Disney/ESPN fought the cable companies. I also own a Toshiba built FireTV that suffers from those same problems but far worse. Way more ads, much slower interface, a…

Don't use the interface? Use it as a dumb monitor right? I'll go as far as to say that you can't complain about a slow interface of a cheap smart TV if you went out to buy it with the purpose of using it just as a monitor which is what you really should be doing. The smart isn't a value add except for being able to use a remote app on your phone especially if you're a HN frequenter. You gotta have computers lying aro…

1) I'm not the sole user of these TVs. 2) If I wanted a "dumb monitor" I would have bought one. 3) When I sit down to watch something, I put my phone away and in a different room so I am not distracted by it, that goes against using the "remote apps".

Re: It’s Still Stupidly, Difficult to Buy a ‘Dumb’ TV

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also own a TCL Roku TV and the interface is easily twice as slow as my Roku Ultra. Right on the home screen is a giant ad(unless you have network adblocking). Over the years Roku and Google have been fighting about Youtube/Youtube TV on Roku, just like Disney/ESPN fought the cable companies. I also own a Toshiba built FireTV that suffers from those same problems but far worse. Way more ads, much slower interface, a…

Granted I have never owned a Roku Ultra but the UI is plenty fast for me. And yes I pay for NextDNS so I don’t see giant ads. I think about it so little that I forget to mention it.

my Roku Ultra is very fast. It's the TCL Roku TV that is very slow.
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