Insane. Common person has to own the burden.
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HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]
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Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]
#52I apologize in advance for the profanity. This really pissed me off. FUCK you HackerRank, for even entertaining the notion of litigating open source projects at scale for no good reason. FUCK you for taking down the the documentation for a harmless open source symbolic mathematics engine without any justification that I can see. What content of your shitty ranking company could SymPy possibly have infringed on? Also…
Phew, this sounded like a scene from a Tarantino movie. We engage a 3rd party for this service. That said, ultimately, we are accountable for this because it's our reputation is at stake. We are looking into it ASAP and this action will be reverted. We do need to get to the RCA to ensure we are giving strict guidelines on DMCA activity with the 3rd party or perhaps even consider switching to a new one.
Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]
#53What are decent HackerRank alternatives out on the market at the moment?
I like open kattis and spoj. There are many open source judges that can be used for example in a course with course specific problems and templates. (a workplace could also create their own problems / challenges to test on)
Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]
#54Wow. I'm actively in the market for this service for something but will never do business with HackerRank, as they continued to use the same horrible abusive DMCA agent after they did this back in January. Once is "we made a bad choice in vendor", twice is we are horrible people ourselves.
Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]
#55I hope there's some real consequence of DMCA abuse like this. I hope companies would announce HackerRank boycott in hiring process. There are better alternatives tbh
Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m curious - why even bother? What will you do if someone torrents the solutions? Focus on figuring out another solution. Leetcode for instance puts the solutions out there.
It's not an either or. We need to do the takedown AND figure out a way where we can do things like randomizing questions but preserving the integrity of it to ensure a fair evaluation, etc.
> figure out a way where we can do things like randomizing questions but preserving the integrity of it to ensure a fair evaluation, etc
How does any of these have anything to do with copyright infringement in the context of DMCA takedown? Do you even own the copyright to the alleged leaked solution?
Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]
#57I apologize in advance for the profanity. This really pissed me off. FUCK you HackerRank, for even entertaining the notion of litigating open source projects at scale for no good reason. FUCK you for taking down the the documentation for a harmless open source symbolic mathematics engine without any justification that I can see. What content of your shitty ranking company could SymPy possibly have infringed on? Also…
> And FUCK me for not having the steel to just take my code off of GitHub. I am part of the problem.
as a user you literally are not the problem. the problem is the monopolization of technology by a small group of investors, which makes it nearly impossible for alternatives to rise.
why isn't a platform like Github part of the commons instead of a private, proprietary fiefdom? why is it instead the private property of, and part of the investment portfolio of, a person who says things like: "As the majority of hobbyists must be aware, most of you steal your software."
Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]
#58I'm happy that this is now on the front page because that's how fraudulent DMCA requests get fixed :) The goodwill lost will now surely exceed the money they saved by not doing proper due diligence. I'm optimistic that HackerRank won't make the same mistake again and other companies might take notice, too.
It would be nice if a lawyer got censured for this. That's how fraudulent DMCA takedowns should get fixed. It would also be nice if Github would implement instant restoration via counternotice as allowed by the DMCA. Implementing only half of the law enables this sort of abuse.
You don't have to be a lawyer to send a DMCA takedown.
Companies have historically gotten away with these reckless takedowns because the law just requires that "the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law." (17 U.S.C. § 512(c)(3)(A)(v))[^1]
In a recent 9th Circuit case, Lenz v. Universal Music Corp[^2], the court held that Lenz could sue Universal Music for a bad faith takedown. Specifically, "failure to [consider fair use] raises a triable issue as to whether the copyright holder formed a subjective good faith belief that the use was not authorized by law."
However, proving that it was in bad faith could be tricky.
Caveat: IANAL
[1]: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512#c_3_A_iv [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz_v._Universal_Music_Corp.
Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]
#59I apologize in advance for the profanity. This really pissed me off. FUCK you HackerRank, for even entertaining the notion of litigating open source projects at scale for no good reason. FUCK you for taking down the the documentation for a harmless open source symbolic mathematics engine without any justification that I can see. What content of your shitty ranking company could SymPy possibly have infringed on? Also…
Phew, this sounded like a scene from a Tarantino movie. We engage a 3rd party for this service. That said, ultimately, we are accountable for this because it's our reputation is at stake. We are looking into it ASAP and this action will be reverted. We do need to get to the RCA to ensure we are giving strict guidelines on DMCA activity with the 3rd party or perhaps even consider switching to a new one.
You are using a third party to perform an action which at core is counter to how the Internet works, AND you are using the same third party who has acted in bad faith before and did exactly the same thing to another victim of yours, and now you're deflecting onto the third party? This is entirely on you at this point.
Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]
#60Unpopular opinion: FOSS projects shouldn't bother hosting under US jurisdiction. There's absolutely no upside for a nonprofit, and our supercharged lawfare culture causes endless headaches for everyone -- even the most innocent software in the whole world, like a symbolic algebra library.
It's so depressing to see well-meaning philanthropy apathetically trampled by thugs in suits.