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Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Post by tablespoon »

infamouscow wrote: post #3

The history books will not be kind to those that supported lockdowns, nor should they be.

> The history books will not be kind to those that supported lockdowns, nor should they be.

The history books won't be kind to the people who resisted them either. IMHO, if this era has any particular significance at all, it will be a story of a crack up before a long term, shambolic decline. The future belongs to the societies that can come together.

If this were the 40s, the lock-down resisters would be agitating against rationing instead of mending and making do and collecting stuff for scrap metal drives.

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Post by rokkk »

noja wrote: post #13
sharemywin wrote: post #6

Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries with similar demographics etc. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2020/12/what-have-norway-...

True, but for a full picture you need to compare costs versus benefits, not just covid deaths from a year ago. You need to compare number of cancer deaths (due to non-screening), and anything else that would have been preventative and now won't be. You need to compare psychological cost of covid with lockdown versus no lockdown (schools, workplaces, etc.). You need to compare all of the benefits of life without a loc…

This. Well said.

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Post by JohnDeHope »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #9
brodouevencode wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now that history persists in just about as raw, unadulterated of a form as possible (archived print, video, audio) I would like to see pointed, in-depth analysis of those times in history that were truly inflection points - what did we get right and what did we get wrong? Pull directly from the opinion pieces and headlines from X number of years ago and look at it from a critical eye. People have such short term memo…

As well, I would like to see a comparison between a nation's media consumption, and their use of masks and lockdowns. There's a meme going around of why the Amish did not suffer as badly from COVID-19, and the punchline is that they don't have television.

There was one meme that struck me as perfectly captioned. A circa 60s image of a person's arms throwing a TV out an upper story window, with the tag line "first step to fight coronavirus".

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Post by infamouscow »

1270018080 wrote: post #7
infamouscow wrote: post #3

The history books will not be kind to those that supported lockdowns, nor should they be.

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> I honestly have to chuckle at the delusional victim complex people have to give themselves as some kind of validation for their beliefs.

Okay, jackass. If you're going to say something so incendiary, I'm going to assume your feelings apply consistently across all issues. Things like racism, sexism, transgender rights, climate, and others that don't immediately come to mind. After all, if you're so cavalier in dismissing the pain of other humans on one problem, it stands to reason you're as cold regarding other problems. At the very least, this makes you insensitive. On the other end, you're unwelcome here and you should fuck off.

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Post by karmakaze »

It's easy to say things in retrospect after a risky gamble ended up being not as bad as feared. Sweden's neighbours fared better.

I'm glad for how things we're handled in Canada, except that I wish we'd locked down sooner and harder at the start of subsequent waves. I also welcome many of the changes that were accelerated, notably working from home and elimination or simplification of many fees and services. Having hand sanitizer everywhere is also great for cold/flu seasons too.

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