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Ask HN: What do you guys think of Tarot or other metaphysical things?

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Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of Tarot or other metaphysical things?

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There is more to the world around us than we understand.

Tarot cards / systems of interpreting them are a good window into how human minds work, and insofar as that's relevant may indeed be useful. Many of them are also pretty.

The tools of rationality, collection of evidence and the scientific method are the best ways we have yet developed to further our understanding of the world. They are not (nor ever will be) complete.

Blanket dismissals of the metaphysical are as baseless, and no more worthy of consideration than, the simplistic assertions like "the sun revolves around the earth... because we say so".

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of Tarot or other metaphysical things?

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The null hypothesis holds

Elaborate.

In philosophy, there's a concept called the "burden of proof", which basically says "a positive claim must be supported, a negative claim can be assumed". This is because, to simplify the formal logic quite a bit, it's logically inconsistent for everything to be true, but not inconsistent for everything to be false. Therefore, if the truth is unknown, it can be assumed to be nonexistent until further evidence arises.

In science, this burden of proof idea is called the null hypothesis: we assume nothing is true, and look for experimental evidence to "reject the null hypothesis" -- that is, we assume a positive claim is not true until we find evidence that it is. There's a fairly straightforward inductive syllogism for why that approach is the most reasonable, which I'll leave out here (unless you'd like me to outline it?) for brevity.

Therefore, Tarot, ghosts, an afterlife, psychics, etc. are all subject to the same burden of proof / null hypothesis rejection process as any other positive claims: until there's empirical, reproducible evidence supporting them, we must assume they are not true. And after centuries of asking for (and looking for) evidence, and even a long-standing million dollar prize for any that can be found, all we've ever had in that regard is... personal anecdotes and deeply-held beliefs. Neither of which constitute objective evidence, and neither of which manage to be consistently reproducible.

So the null hypothesis stands: they aren't real, and I genuinely invite anyone to find the evidence to reject that assumption, as long as the evidence they find is logically consistent, objective, and reproducible without confounding factors (i.e. if such evidence can only be reproduced while someone is on hallucinogenics, or while someone is in a house with a carbon monoxide leak, or while other factors could more plausibly explain the results, or...)

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of Tarot or other metaphysical things?

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There is more to the world around us than we understand. Tarot cards / systems of interpreting them are a good window into how human minds work, and insofar as that's relevant may indeed be useful. Many of them are also pretty. The tools of rationality, collection of evidence and the scientific method are the best ways we have yet developed to further our understanding of the world. They are not (nor ever will be) co…

On the other hand, if something is unknown, you can either believe it's true or you can believe it's false. If you believe things are true before having any real evidence, then you open yourself to a literal infinity of internally contradictory beliefs. If you instead assume nothing is true until there's evidence, then you do not invite any internally contradictory beliefs.

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of Tarot or other metaphysical things?

#10
Searching for meaning for these things is a trap. It can be a harmless hobby, but for many people it becomes something more and can tear them apart (e.g. inducing anxiety or obsession with it).

Many (but not necessarily all) people who sell this type of paraphernalia or services are con artists looking to make a buck off of desperate people who are looking to make sense of their lives in places where they won't.

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