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Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries with similar demographics etc. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2020/12/what-have-norway-...

Aside: the page design of the original link and this New Statesman one are almost enough to prevent me from reading the articles at all; constant skipping when trying to scroll backwards, or incessant pop-ups and insertions.

Banning digital advertising feels like more of an obvious public good every day.

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Obviously just looking at numbers without context of differences between Sweden and other countries it looks bad...

There's other really well written articles from PHDs about how their model literally would only work in Sweden.

The author is only bestseller of a book based on their experience not a perspective from someone trying to approach it like an academic as far as I can tell.

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries with similar demographics etc. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2020/12/what-have-norway-...

True, but for a full picture you need to compare costs versus benefits, not just covid deaths from a year ago.

You need to compare number of cancer deaths (due to non-screening), and anything else that would have been preventative and now won't be.

You need to compare psychological cost of covid with lockdown versus no lockdown (schools, workplaces, etc.).

You need to compare all of the benefits of life without a lockdown not just the costs.

My personal feeling is that Sweden was too early to lift restrictions, but now everyone else is too late.

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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All lockdowns are a violation of our freedom. Just because you're punching me instead of shooting me, it doesn't mean you're not assaulting me.

I'm assuming you are talking about the US... which freedoms were violated?

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries with similar demographics etc. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2020/12/what-have-norway-...

Very much yes.

Whenever somebody compares US to a single Nordic country, it is all about an agenda and not to find things out.

Also: And only deaths are considered. It ignores that we did not know if there was any long term effects on people or if the hospital system would be overloaded if "If things had simply been left to run their course".

(The latter was the main consideration when Denmark closed down: not to avoid deaths, but to avoid hospitals to be overloaded)

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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post #15

The history books will not be kind to those that supported lockdowns, nor should they be.

You should look at what we did for the spanish flu before you get all high and mighty about your history take

You mean what people did? They kept doing parties in empty houses.

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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Well regarding the Western response to COVID and “lockdowns” - Tell this story to doctors and nurses in wards where young people died gasping for breath (so many I personally know of) - of course we needed to lockdown

Insane that a contagious disease directly killed over 50,000 young people (under age 50) in the usa alone and we are still debating if our lockdown response was disproportionate?

It’s simple - people were dying who should not normally be were and the medical community was overwhelmed - we needed to lockdown untill a we knew that an effective vaccine worked or the effective transmission rate declined, or the virus mutated into a safer variant

Wars and terrorism killed far less and the impact was far greater as well

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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This Johan Anderberg is a complete crank. He spent much of the pandemic with state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell and his predecessor Johan Giesecke, who gave him access so that he could write a book. It’s some kind of weird bromance between the three of them.

Fact is that Johan Giesecke was completely wrong about almost every epidemiologically important property of SARS-CoV-2. I documented his delusions here already in April 2020: http://www.openias.org/swedens-covid19-strategy

Re: Why No One Wants to Talk About Sweden

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post #18

Well regarding the Western response to COVID and “lockdowns” - Tell this story to doctors and nurses in wards where young people died gasping for breath (so many I personally know of) - of course we needed to lockdown Insane that a contagious disease directly killed over 50,000 young people (under age 50) in the usa alone and we are still debating if our lockdown response was disproportionate? It’s simple - people we…

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