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Monsanto chooses Cloudant to power its genome analytics

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Re: Monsanto chooses Cloudant to power its genome analytics

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Post by dasil003 »

temphn wrote: post #257
dasil003 wrote: post #234

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Then you shouldn't assume that somebody who is vitriolic about the issue is automatically a liberal wacko.

If they are vitriolic about the issue then they are likely to be a wacko. Whether liberal or otherwise is TBD. After all, only a wacko would say "f * Cloudant" to someone's face who they just met or heard about.

A) I disagree, non-wackos can have extremely strong opinions B) The post I was responding to pigeon-holed the OP not just as a liberal but several Fox-worthy aspersions.

Re: Monsanto chooses Cloudant to power its genome analytics

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Post by puredemo »

sraut wrote: post #252
run4yourlives wrote: post #199

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> I think HN's initial population of smart, mostly apolitical nerds has been diluted by the arrival of a lot of new users who are not as smart, and are thus more excited by shallow controversies. Or: I disagree with you, therefore you are dumb. Outstanding. I up-voted the parent comment. I have been here for years. I consider myself to be a free market supporting, fiscally conservative and independent thinker. I have…

I normally don't comment on things. I think a lot of people are missing the point. The nature of Company x and y is irrelevant, the issue is interchangeable. Hacker News used to be a community devoid of emotional outbursts and when they occurred they were thought out, thought provoking and well articulated. Smart comments. Only smart comments were up-voted. This wasn't and it was at the top. It's indicative of the di…

Lack of emotion doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence or success.

Also, an "emotional outburst" can be the product of knowing you're correct, AKA you've done the research and know the ins and outs of the situation.

Re: Monsanto chooses Cloudant to power its genome analytics

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Post by puredemo »

nowarninglabel wrote: post #243
nirvana wrote: post #224

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If you were apolitical, you wouldn't see monsanto as "a company which pushes injustice across the world". Notice that this thread is full of such disparaging assertions, but no actual details, no citations, and the closest anyone gets is to pointing to people who have a very clear political agenda who make accusations against monsanto. "what is essentially a very well held and defensible position" I think this is wha…

I would have agreed with you except you ignored that I did indicate a specific incidence, the fact they hold a Superfund site. I didn't want to get back and forth on points, as I knew pg would not wish to debate them. I did a full research study on Monsanto as part of TA'ing for a Professor who taught "International Political Economy" of Food & Hunger. I'm about as informed on the subject as I'm going to get short of…

Actually, if you don't mind spending a few minutes to go on a bit further, I think it would be useful to have it all archived here for future reference.

Re: Monsanto chooses Cloudant to power its genome analytics

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Post by puredemo »

no_no_procrast wrote: post #200
pg wrote: post #190

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I don't think there are two separate crowds. I think HN's initial population of smart, mostly apolitical nerds has been diluted by the arrival of a lot of new users who are not as smart, and are thus more excited by shallow controversies. Politics happens to be a big source of shallow controversies. But I don't think most people who upvote comments saying "Fuck Monsanto" do it because they have a deep interest in pol…

> They [upvote] because they're dumb. It's the shape of this sort of idea that excites them, not its content. The first part is a fundamental attribution error. The second part definitely plays a role, but don't think it's the primary cause. You can probably do the analysis on the votes, but I'd be surprised if the majority of the votes come from young accounts. I think it's much more likely that political topics are…

Or perhaps the fact that CS has always been a naturally political issue. Is RMS apolitical? Is CS not used to wage wars?

Re: Monsanto chooses Cloudant to power its genome analytics

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Post by puredemo »

andylei wrote: post #253
pbreit wrote: post #236

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Monsanto knowingly engages in unethical activities that could jeopardize large portions of the world's food supply.

what are these activities? producing GMOs? high yield crops have enabled the feeding of hundreds of millions if not billions of people who would otherwise died of starvation.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3106488

Nothing wrong with GMOs, lots and lots wrong with Monsanto.

Re: Monsanto chooses Cloudant to power its genome analytics

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Post by puredemo »

castewart wrote: post #227
WiseWeasel wrote: post #105

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You won't see Apple, GM or Clorox touting a partnership with Monsanto, as they are aware of the negative impact it would have on their own brand. I think there is a good lesson in this for other companies.

We don't discuss PR on HN. Public relations is beneath PG.

What an ignorant thing to say. HN essentially is social publicity and PR for YC startups.

Re: Monsanto chooses Cloudant to power its genome analytics

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Post by puredemo »

nirvana wrote: post #127
irrumator wrote: post #63

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Agreed, I don't think I've ever seen so many 'fucks' and similar words used on an HN thread before. For some reason all these new posters are tying every company which they have a grudge against with Monsanto, and by association, with Cloudant. Amusing to read all the pent up angered comments, with any dissenting ones heavily downvoted. Did /r/politics arrive to stay? What happened here? Cloudant is providing an amaz…

I've been very curious about the persistence of anti-capitalists attitudes on Hacker News. For me, one of the things that changed me from a liberal into a libertarian was starting businesses. Getting out there, trying to grow, dealing with government, and recognizing that I needed to learn finance, etc, caused me to get experience with how the business world works, and to also learn economics, and that was pretty muc…

I love how you just simply stop responding whenever someone makes a valid, well-thought out point against what you were saying.

Respond to wiseweasel and nolabel. They refuted your assertions, the least you should do is own up to it rather than just ignoring them.

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Post by WiseWeasel »

puredemo wrote: post #266
castewart wrote: post #227

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We don't discuss PR on HN. Public relations is beneath PG.

What an ignorant thing to say. HN essentially is social publicity and PR for YC startups.

I do believe that was sarcasm.

Re: Monsanto chooses Cloudant to power its genome analytics

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Post by viggity »

andylei wrote: post #182
cickpass_broken wrote: post #150

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1. Genetic manipulation by Monsanto has relied on herbicides/pesticides and monocultures. This comes with averse effects and risks. The use of herbicides/pesticides must be reduced. We need pollinators, we need genetic diversity and biodiversity. We must look ahead more than 25 or so years. When it comes to soil fertility and contamination we should be looking ahead 100 years. 2. Is it possible for a group to select…

> Genetic manipulation by Monsanto has relied on herbicides/pesticides and monocultures. This comes with averse effects and risks. The use of herbicides/pesticides must be reduced. We need pollinators, we need genetic diversity and biodiversity. We must look ahead more than 25 or so years. When it comes to soil fertility and contamination we should be looking ahead 100 years. 1. lowered levels of food production have…

FTR, Pioneer HiBred recently patented their own glyphosate (roundup) resistance gene (a different one than monsanto has), although I'm not sure if they have any varieties that have the gene incorporated yet. Obviously, they're excited about it because now they don't have to pay royalty fees to Monsanto anymore.

Re: Monsanto chooses Cloudant to power its genome analytics

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Post by inconditus »

0x12 wrote: post #151
inconditus wrote: post #126

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I'm well aware of horizontal gene transfer, but thanks for linking it anyways for the people who don't know. Edit: My response was lacking, apologies. AFAIK, there's never been a horizontal gene transfer from a prokaryote/eukaryote/any other kingdom to a mammal or animal. The last time may be when we got mitocondria.

> AFAIK, there's never been a horizontal gene transfer from a prokaryote/eukaryote/any other kingdom to a mammal or animal. contradicts > The last time may be when we got mitocondria. Also, we seem to have quite a bit of bacterial and virus DNA that somehow got incorporated. Oh, and it's mitoc h ondria.

When we got mitochondria, we weren't mammals yet. ;) Apologies for spelling.
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