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Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

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post #41

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Twitter wasn't like that. In the beginning you only received content you subscribed to. But they decided to change that.

Wait, what? Twitter is still primarily (other than ads) content from people you follow, the main change is screwing around with non-chronological order. Unless you are talking about the Trending sidebar or something?

When I use it I get in my timeline popular tweets from accounts that I don't follow and likes given by people who I follow (these are not retweets). I shouldn't see either.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

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post #4

They are very pro free speech, so you tend to get more interesting (and potentially more heretical) writers compared to other platforms.

Could you provide a link or two of content that might be censored elsewhere? I am curious to read “banned literature”.

Not to lionize him as an important voice on the issue, but any of Greenwald's posts on gender.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

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post #8

Many writers like them because they seem to have made both costly and cheap signals to show that they are on the side of writers: (1) they say they are "anti-censorship" and won't evict writers from their "private platform" (2) they let the writer own their audience / mailing list (so they can leave with their audience, if they want to) (3) they advanced money to popular writers These things with the addition of a si…

> they say they are "anti-censorship" and won't evict writers from their "private platform"

"Anti-censorship" is hugely unpopular with the mainstream intellectual community these days. It's close to being a dog whistle for the alt-right. I'm surprised this is a stance that would attract more "excellent writers".

Re: Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

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it was the right platform at the right time to take advantage of the trend of writers from legacy newspapers trying to break out from their newspaper brand and produce indpendent paid newsletters instead. it's very much a case of a product that was made for a market that was asking for exactly that product.

They took great advantage of that trend by directly paying newspaper writers to make it even more popular. The writers brought their existing audiences from whatever platform they were coming from, and wrote a lot about the process of switching to substack.

and then they leveraged the popularity among newspaper writers to sell an image of "make a substack and you too can be a popular and successful writer", which brought in the mass market.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

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post #8

Many writers like them because they seem to have made both costly and cheap signals to show that they are on the side of writers: (1) they say they are "anti-censorship" and won't evict writers from their "private platform" (2) they let the writer own their audience / mailing list (so they can leave with their audience, if they want to) (3) they advanced money to popular writers These things with the addition of a si…

Another interesting thing is that they don't rank what's "popular" by clicks. Crazy good idea IMO

Yes, it's very well-executed.

I took a step back while writing my comment and realised that it must seem kind of like random success to some people. I don't think it is at all. Other startups tried to create "blog platforms" and worked on the product/technology/UI, but the founders of Substack took a look at "what will make good quality writers sign-up" and executed on this.

It shows me that even when an idea looks simple and like it has been done before with no success, if your thinking isn't clouded by what has gone before and you actually have a new perspective and are able to understand the market incentives better than others you have a chance to do much better.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

#86
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide a link or two of content that might be censored elsewhere? I am curious to read “banned literature”.

Here is, for example, a post by unabashed Russian nationalist, in support of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, blaming “Western Supremacist (…) miscreants” for the blood being spilled: https://akarlin.substack.com/p/happening-the-ukraine-war-202... One of his previous posts is his analysis of the (then, upcoming) war, its context, and causes. Of course, you need to take it with an open pit sized block of salt — eg he…

Which is why publishing pieces like this is so important.

Gives an insight into the thought processes behind starting and continuing this war, and why some Russians might be supporting Putin and the war, and what to expect going forward.

Even wrong perspectives can be valuable and informative.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

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post #83
post #8

Many writers like them because they seem to have made both costly and cheap signals to show that they are on the side of writers: (1) they say they are "anti-censorship" and won't evict writers from their "private platform" (2) they let the writer own their audience / mailing list (so they can leave with their audience, if they want to) (3) they advanced money to popular writers These things with the addition of a si…

> they say they are "anti-censorship" and won't evict writers from their "private platform" "Anti-censorship" is hugely unpopular with the mainstream intellectual community these days. It's close to being a dog whistle for the alt-right. I'm surprised this is a stance that would attract more "excellent writers".

It's not surprising if you think the non-mainstream intellectual community is large enough to contain excellent writers that were currently under-utilized and under-financed.

Excellent writers could have been ignored by the mainstream market previously if they were outside of the norm and sometimes found in baskets with bad apples (e.g. "alt-right"). The non-mainstream is actually a collection of smaller minority groups -- it tends to be the mainstream that is more homogenous. It doesn't surprise me that Substack has found success by not treating the non-mainstream as equally worthy of scorn.

It also won't surprise me when they start to attract more writers from the mainstream. The mainstream can sometimes appear to be totally homogenous in their hatred of liberal content policies but this is mostly due to the efforts of a small minority. If the offering is good, others will slowly come aboard.

As another commentator noted (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31084791), Substack's policy is politically more in line with neoliberal complaints of censorship than the complaints from those in the alt-right. (Their comment is better than mine since it is a more direct response to the core of your comment, which could be read as suggesting that use of Substack points towards sympathy for the "alt-right".)

Re: Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide a link or two of content that might be censored elsewhere? I am curious to read “banned literature”.

According to [1] anti-vaxxers "have flocked to Substack, podcasting platforms and a growing number of right-wing social media networks over the past year after getting kicked off or restricted on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube." If you're interested in censored material more broadly, you might be interested in the ALA's most challenged books lists [2] which include such classics as "Of Mice and Men" and "Adventures of…

Here's what I would consider a boring example of such anti-vaxx heresy:

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/maximum-vaccination

According to this Guardian article, the "Center for Countering Digital Hate" (also mentioned in your article) would be happy if Substack hadn't given it the platform:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/27/anti-vaxx...

The idea that Yet Another Generic NGO needs to "counter hate" because someone on the internet thinks the vaccine is not going to stop the pandemic is completely bonkers.

What I want to say is, a lot of the controversy around Substack seems to be that it is not aligned with the Right Side in the Culture War. I think they have some great writers, but they're not the next WikiLeaks or anything.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

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Yes that's mostly all there is to it. Nothing more than a newsletter publishing site. But it was timing. Journos and talking head bloggers were looking for something to be able to freely publish that wasn't bogged down like a Mailchimp or whatever and Substack was there. Easy signup for readers, and generally easy publishing with way to share, hence it becoming like a shared blog post url you see often..... no different than any other blogger / wordpress / etc, but had the attention of enough influencers. There are downsides like being able to run a 'free' newsletter or manage free vs. paid content, it leaning heavily to paid subsciptions of course, but what can you do.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Substack so popular?

#90

Here's a more skeptical article about Substack's (future) popularity in the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/13/business/media/substack-g... The article also touches upon factors of Substack's success: > [...] the platform portrayed itself as a haven for independent writers with fewer resources while offering six-figure advances to several prominent white men. The hands-off content moderation policy [...]

is this the article that relies on Grace Lavery's commentary without mentioning that she got a huge advance but left after barely produced any writing? And that she lamented Substack's lack of political content modeation, but doesn't mention that she switched to Ghost has zero political content moderation?
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