Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an oversimplification of the caste issue in India. Caste oppression is socially enforced in India with violence. A person can get killed for marrying into the wrong caste and it happens often enough in India. https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/pune/dalit-youth-be... A low caste person can get killed if they "trespass" even by having mustache which is only allowed for the upper caste in parts of India or…
Sorry. Random things happens in the US too. It means racism exists. Not enforced. Same for simplifying stereotypes of India from 50 years ago.
Castes in India: Their Mechanism, Genesis and Development
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Re: Castes in India: Their Mechanism, Genesis and Development
#82I won't read it because caste is a trauma-inducing subject to me. I'll just leave my comment here so that the truth is available for anyone who cares. I'm a member of the so-called "upper castes", but not a Brahmin. Parents were very bohemian, never taught me anything about caste. Go to college in India. My best friend in college is a Brahmin. I knew that Brahmins were priests, didn't really know anything else about…
1. Sikhs & Gurkhas are warrior class, they are overrepresented in the military.
2. Parsi's are extraordinarily successful businessmen, they are among the wealthiest Indians.
3. Brahmins are extraordinarily successful academically.
4. Jains are successful businessmen.
Let us remember that 1-3 were co-opted by the British as loyal troops, given special concessions in business, and employed as loyal servants in clerical tasks.In the case of [4] it is survival bias, being a true Jain is very hard and only the rich elite could adhere to it.
Some communities in India have had a head start or rather the barbaric colonial rule had pulled down much of the population to abject poverty and gave few people not in abject poverty a head start.
Equally there is a special hate campaign against Brahmins emanating from church as they are seen as guardians of high culture and scriptures.
As a vast majority of Indians have not converted to Islam or Christianity in spite of the hostile foreign occupation anywhere between 400 to a 1000 years, I can safely say we are all warriors and the last surviving major ancient civilisation.
The caste-debate is a two way street and is mostly kept alive by few vested interests. Among the youth it is mostly the "reservation" that exposes them to "Caste politics", as online education & private sector picks up it is going to be less relevant.
To be fair to Brahmins, as non-brahmin with a brahmin-like first name from Tamil Nadu I have been at the receiving end of the political-church driven hate campaigns that even teachers take part in.
I think we should not tolerate any kind of hate especially hate campaigns, esp. for the younger generation.
Re: Castes in India: Their Mechanism, Genesis and Development
#83I won't read it because caste is a trauma-inducing subject to me. I'll just leave my comment here so that the truth is available for anyone who cares. I'm a member of the so-called "upper castes", but not a Brahmin. Parents were very bohemian, never taught me anything about caste. Go to college in India. My best friend in college is a Brahmin. I knew that Brahmins were priests, didn't really know anything else about…
By the way, for anyone interested in reading more, a fascinating read is the chapter on the Hindu Caste System in the book "Tarikh Al Hind" written by Al Biruni, Persian scholar, during his visit to India from 1017 to 1030. It was written 1,000 years ago, but could have been written 75 years ago. It reads that fresh. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/digital/collections/cul/text... The level of oppression of lower cast…
1. Nobility
2. Clergy
3. Landowners & Merchants
4. Artisans
5. Outcasts - butchers, sanitary workers, undertakers ....
Some European countries still legally protect a lot of family names, which you would have to buy if you need a fancy royal name.
Re: Castes in India: Their Mechanism, Genesis and Development
#84If some Indian tells you that they are progressive and caste is not followed these days, ask them which caste their spouse belongs to. And that will answer how progressive they are.
Re: Castes in India: Their Mechanism, Genesis and Development
#85Caste comes from the Portuguese word "Castus". There is no literal translation found for this word in ancient Hindu Sanskrit texts. The quoted article comes written from a time under British Raj where peoples backgrounds were used to further divide society so that they would not rise up against the British. Caste in the same sense of occupational background exists in all cultures but was never used in such a divisive…
Caste endogamy in India is well established and it shows that inter-marriage etc between castes basically stopped around 1800+ years ago.. which is clearly well before the British, Portuguese or whoever else came to India. And also saying that the Portuguese/British invented the caste system because "caste" is a Portuguese system makes no sense because: a) Indians don't speak Portuguese and the words Jati and Varna h…
It would only be fair to look at the opposing views and reject or reevaluate theories that are on thin ice.
Jati & Varna are two separate ideas, "Indian caste system" is an import and a framework trying to combine the two.
Why do we keep using the word "caste", when we talk about Jati. A lot of Jatis do not see themselves as lower & upper and there are thousands of Jatis so no one is carrying around a dictionary to see where they stand.
People rarely talk ever about "their" varna and the vast majority do not see themselves or their jati falling into a specific varna.
70% of the temples in Tamil Nadu have priests from the Jati that built the temple and non-brahmins, there falls the idea "Brahmins" exclusively being the priestly class.
Re: Castes in India: Their Mechanism, Genesis and Development
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Caste endogamy in India is well established and it shows that inter-marriage etc between castes basically stopped around 1800+ years ago.. which is clearly well before the British, Portuguese or whoever else came to India. And also saying that the Portuguese/British invented the caste system because "caste" is a Portuguese system makes no sense because: a) Indians don't speak Portuguese and the words Jati and Varna h…
Evangelists, Colonialist, Colonial apologists & Leftists have a perverse incentive in theorising & establishing a framework linking caste to Indians & Hindus along with exaggerations and hiding equally bad or worse examples from Europe. It would only be fair to look at the opposing views and reject or reevaluate theories that are on thin ice. Jati & Varna are two separate ideas, "Indian caste system" is an import and…