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Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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According to the government's announcement linked to in the article, the actual proposal is subtly but importantly different: " imposing a two-year ban on foreign capital coming into Canada to buy residential real estate ".

Yeah - there's a line in the article about an exception for "permanent residents", which makes sense. I don't see how one could defend not allowing workers living in Canada to buy a house.

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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I wonder if the simpler solution would not be to require residence, for homes in popular locations.

It can be difficult to disprove residency, especially if you can say you travel a lot for your work. I've uh...heard of people that are residents of Nevada for tax purposes. They have a tiny furnished apartment and their car is registered there, and they're registered to vote there, but let's say they aren't home very often.

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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This is really, really stupid. It reeks of economic illiteracy.

If you think foreign investor cause harm, just estimate how much harm it is, and tax them accordingly. Why would you ban them?

Taxing is almost always more economically efficient than banning.

You can even pay out (part of) the tax take to the people you think are harmed.

(In general, a land value tax for everyone would be a good idea. But if political reasons dictate that only foreigners should be taxed, so be it. Still better than a ban.)

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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We have how many foreign investment agreements? Banning foreign investment is not possible at all.

The data is public as well, foreign investors aren't the problem. To say you are doing this would not only be punitively not allowed. So you're literally telegraphing that you intend to do nothing. Or for that matter try to make things worse.

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be that there is a sufficient amount of housing (built or being built), but that it is often not occupied on account of just being an asset in a wealthy person’s portfolio. In this case it could be seen as wasteful to build more, and too much of an oversupply could lead to an economic collapse if it’s on a big enough scale. The other possibility is that they are building more homes, and want them to be purch…

>> being an asset in a wealthy person’s portfolio Why wouldn't that wealthy person rent the property out and get better ROI? Keeping it empty does not make sense to me.

If the property itself is valuable enough? Renting the property out might not actually be worth the hassle. A single bitter tenant can cost a lot of money, from eviction to repairs/damage.

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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I would have thought that the pandemic and travel restrictions would have effectively “banned foreigners from buying homes” for 2 years. If home prices haven’t fallen during pandemic, then the reason why prices are high is not because of foreigners. The government is trying to point to a scapegoat rather than trying to get to the root cause.

From what I've read before, the issue isn't foreigners buying the homes to live in, it's foreigners using it as a way to move cash out of their own country to hedge against devaluation/government blocks. A lot of the houses don't even end up being rented out, they just sit vacant.

This. Too many canadian homes are sitting empty. Those who dont live in the country are less likely to actually live in the homes they buy. It is a hamfisted approach but at least they are trying something direct to address the vacancy issue, something other than moving money around.

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be that there is a sufficient amount of housing (built or being built), but that it is often not occupied on account of just being an asset in a wealthy person’s portfolio. In this case it could be seen as wasteful to build more, and too much of an oversupply could lead to an economic collapse if it’s on a big enough scale. The other possibility is that they are building more homes, and want them to be purch…

>> being an asset in a wealthy person’s portfolio Why wouldn't that wealthy person rent the property out and get better ROI? Keeping it empty does not make sense to me.

Because they can make a far greater profit by selling the property at a moment's notice, than say renting it out for an year.

I mean, a place where your rental profit is 3k/month, might sell for 100k more than you bought it for, to the next wealthy person who thinks they can make another 100k profit by holding and selling after an year.

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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I would have thought that the pandemic and travel restrictions would have effectively “banned foreigners from buying homes” for 2 years. If home prices haven’t fallen during pandemic, then the reason why prices are high is not because of foreigners. The government is trying to point to a scapegoat rather than trying to get to the root cause.

This. Root cause is crappy city planning and design; and emphasis on single family housing development. Many cities across North America are designed with urban sprawl and car centric travel in mind. Pedestrian and alternative forms of transportation are a second class citizen despite the ability to move people more efficiently than cars will ever do.

Don’t get me wrong. Cars have their in place in society but their current role is overstated and NA city design shows it (massive parking lots, expensive housing).

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be that there is a sufficient amount of housing (built or being built), but that it is often not occupied on account of just being an asset in a wealthy person’s portfolio. In this case it could be seen as wasteful to build more, and too much of an oversupply could lead to an economic collapse if it’s on a big enough scale. The other possibility is that they are building more homes, and want them to be purch…

>> being an asset in a wealthy person’s portfolio Why wouldn't that wealthy person rent the property out and get better ROI? Keeping it empty does not make sense to me.

Because, depending on local regulations, it can be a PITA to deal with tenants. Receiving rent can also be considered as income, so now you have to deal with the tax authority.

If the main goal is to park the cash somewhere outside the person's country, they presumably have "enough", so they don't want to deal with all this.

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