UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus • Hacker News Board

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by InCityDreams » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:05 AM UTC

csmpltn wrote: post #175

Someone1234 wrote: post #2

I'm surprised this isn't a major diplomatic incident between the UK and Israel too, since the Israeli intelligence company was supposedly "closely monitoring how their customers were using the software" or akin to that. Like, yeah, blame the UAE mostly for this but let's also have a discussion about why this was sold to anyone who would pay with no oversight at all. Western countries need to do better.

> "Like, yeah, blame the UAE mostly for this but let's also have a discussion about why this was sold to anyone who would pay with no oversight at all. Western countries need to do better." The UK itself is one of the largest weapon exporters in the world, exporting to many countries in the Middle East with dubious human rights track records. The UK government can't possibly know what happens with every single pistol…

>The UK government can't possibly know what happens with every single pistol, bullet, missile or drone they sell (if they could, nobody would be buying):

Oh, yes they would. And they do. Quite fucking happily, too.

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by cloutchaser » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:05 AM UTC

gghhzzgghhzz wrote: post #249

cloutchaser wrote: post #245

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I can't believe you've been downvoted to oblivion. Labour party antisemitism goes way beyond criticism of isreal, including support for hezbollah and hamas. https://labourhatesjews.wordpress.com/2017/06/05/29-examples... Also: Jeremy Corbyn faces fury after praising ‘brilliant’ book which claims Jews control world banks https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8975188/jeremy-corbyn-praises-... Corbyn also backed the artist behi…

These are again examples without context. e.g. on Hobson's book. This was a book that was widely referenced. Certainly referencing it didn't mean endorsement of Hobson's antisemitism ( a few lines in that book).. like praising the works of many other authors of the time that contain antisemetic references. Here's the then leader of the Liberal Democrats Nick Clegg citing Hobson. http://www.demos.co.uk/files/Liberal_m…

Ok, how about the others?

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by bigDinosaur » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:06 AM UTC

csmpltn wrote: post #229

CamelRocketFish wrote: post #207

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Here you go: https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/100/

Could you please point out where exactly in this 69 minute podcast do they talk about NSO knowing who exactly is being targeted at any given moment, and what proof is there to back these claims? Could you perhaps quote the transcript? This is a 69 minutes podcast episode, I'm not in a position to listen to all of it and try and pick out the relevant details. A lot of links are provided, but again - which of those are…

Adding to this, it's relatively trivial to have encrypted traffic transit your servers without the ability to actually view the traffic. This is basic stuff so I suspect you're not going to find the evidence from people who are citing podcasts...

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by willmw101 » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:07 AM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #239

mschuster91 wrote: post #186

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Some left-leaning organisations across Europe supporting Palestine is not antisemitism, regardless of what nationalistic Israelis might say. Is there any proof whatsoever for those claims or is it like the Labour party "scandals" that are taken out of proportion as a part of a smear campaign? For instance in France there are multiple left parties, and none of them are antisemitic in any real sense of the word.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/french-president...

>Jean-Luc Melenchon, a far-left politician running for France's presidency next year has suggested that a jihadist's 2012 murder of Jews was part of an elections conspiracy.

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by gghhzzgghhzz » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:08 AM UTC

cloutchaser wrote: post #252

gghhzzgghhzz wrote: post #249

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These are again examples without context. e.g. on Hobson's book. This was a book that was widely referenced. Certainly referencing it didn't mean endorsement of Hobson's antisemitism ( a few lines in that book).. like praising the works of many other authors of the time that contain antisemetic references. Here's the then leader of the Liberal Democrats Nick Clegg citing Hobson. http://www.demos.co.uk/files/Liberal_m…

Ok, how about the others?

well that's exactly the trap isn't it? The others have clearly been contextualised and explained many many times, but that's never enough and there's always 'but what about this one..'

Throw enough stuff at the wall and hope something will stick.

And if I put up a list of the times where Corbyn has gone above and beyond to support Jewish communities in the UK, people will undoubtedly put the effort in to dismiss them.

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by simonh » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:09 AM UTC

caoilte wrote: post #248

simonh wrote: post #238

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Every British government has been an ally of Israel. You don't turn down a relationship with a country with Israel's military, technical and intelligence capabilities, and worth $5bn in bilateral trade for nothing if you have any sense.

UK bilateral trade with Russia was ~$17 billion in 2021 (i assume that's imports plus exports right?). Russia was a very close friend twenty years ago, Iraq was a very close ally in the 1980s. I'm sure Israel realises how quickly the west can turn on friends and allies when it suits us and that this is why they spend tens of millions a year wooing US and UK politicians. Russia became a pariah over night and the momen…

Russia's been a pain in the arse continuously. 20 years ago they were up to their eyeballs in the Iranian nuclear programme, carpet bombing Chechnya, blowing up their own apartment blocks and blaming it on terrorists, destabilising Georgia and goodness knows what else. That's all just from memory. But they have a lot of oil and gas so we let it all slide. More fool us.

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by simonh » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:10 AM UTC

youngtaff wrote: post #242

simonh wrote: post #238

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Every British government has been an ally of Israel. You don't turn down a relationship with a country with Israel's military, technical and intelligence capabilities, and worth $5bn in bilateral trade for nothing if you have any sense.

We did with Europe and the trade is worth way more than $5bn

And we're allies with the EU to this day. What's your point?

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by bigDinosaur » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:10 AM UTC

Synaesthesia wrote: post #228

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #111

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> If russia did that, they would be treated a lot differently than israel or eg. USA. Russia poisoned multiple British nationals with chemical and radioactive weapons on British soil and got away with it scot-free. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51722301

There are definitely some holes in the allegations. https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/04/pure-ten-poi...

Is there any particular reason this link is actually worth reading? Is 'Crag Murray' a former high-level politician/intelligence officer with useful information? Do they have a track record of finding genuine and severe issues with government narratives?

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by cloutchaser » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:14 AM UTC

gghhzzgghhzz wrote: post #255

cloutchaser wrote: post #252

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Ok, how about the others?

well that's exactly the trap isn't it? The others have clearly been contextualised and explained many many times, but that's never enough and there's always 'but what about this one..' Throw enough stuff at the wall and hope something will stick. And if I put up a list of the times where Corbyn has gone above and beyond to support Jewish communities in the UK, people will undoubtedly put the effort in to dismiss them…

No, you are doing exactly what you are claiming was done, explaining away one thing (which still btw doesn’t work, Blair and brown are both labour too), and saying the others don’t matter because you’ve proved one wrong.

Yet somehow it’s always Corbyn labour that gets “misquoted”. Why is that? The Labour Party has plenty of motivation to smear the conservatives over antisemitism, yet somehow they don’t have the material for it. Why is that?

But whatever, I won’t convince you anyway, you refuse to look at the evidence. The mural one is the best example but you claim it’s a smear too. Yet somehow again it’s corbyn who got messed up in it.

But fine, I understand why the left is antisemitic, just like the Soviet Union was, it would just be nice if you were honest about it. If you blame identity groups for the worlds problems it’s hard to not blame Jews, and it must really frustrating seeing a successful nationalistic nation be successful against all odds.

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by mcintyre1994 » Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 10:14 AM UTC

gm3dmo wrote: post #177

Was it the phone provided and secured by the government or the off the books phone they have WhatsApp groups on? If it’s the first then security services have a problem. If it’s the second then those individuals have a problem.

They do government business through those secret WhatsApp phones too. AFAIK the only government business we know about are the Covid contracts, but it could be anything. We know they have no kind of archival and have claimed phones are lost/replaced when they're required to provide messages, eg: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/04/covid-contr...