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Re: Ask HN: Are you lost / confused / stuck? I can try to help

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> I don't really exercise much, but at least I go on 30+ minute walks every other day or so I strongly recommend something more intensely cardiovascular for 20ish minutes a day (I go on runs). There's a lot of clinical evidence for aerobic exercise improving concentration and mood in a way just walking does not. > How were you able to function in such suffering for 10 years? I didn't function terribly well for that t…

I tried HIIT for a period of a few weeks, but ended up stopping it as my motivation decreased (both from the depression and towards the HIIT in general). I didn't notice any real improvements, but I probably didn't do it for a long enough period... Thank you very much for your perspective. You've given me several things to process. I definitely do get stuck in loops; they've almost become invasive thoughts. I don't c…

> I tried HIIT for a period of a few weeks, but ended up stopping it as my motivation decreased

HIIT is really hard to maintain motivation for imo, I've found light jogs or walking up hills is much easier to be consistent about. Many people I know do group classes. It's tough though, I'll grant you, good luck :)

> Thank you very much for your perspective. You've given me several things to process. I definitely do get stuck in loops; they've almost become invasive thoughts. I don't care to think them, but they are there anyway, and they won't leave me alone.

Yeah there's definitely a practice you need to build here. Zen meditation was very good for me in this regard. You've worked at FAANG so maybe you're in the bay area? There are a few good temples in the area, SF in particular (this is not trying to rope you into a religion btw, it should mostly be about quieting your mind).

> I don't know how to feel fulfilled either, and I think happiness in some way stems from that as well.

There's definitely a personal journey here, and everyone's different. I've found great fulfillment in mastery (mostly of software engineering, but other stuff as well) and in helping others. I've meet people who found fulfillment in one or neither of those things. Honestly, trope-y stuff about "finding your passion" is somewhat useful here as a guide to things you may want to try out (e.g. give woodworking or pottery a shot).

There's a thought here that's vitally important but is very hard to communicate well (and in a way that doesn't sound melodramatic). As simply as I can put it, the most important thing is that you keep moving forward. Getting stuck on a thought, or worrying about the time you're "wasting" is poison. Remembering that is a very hard thing when life doesn't feel terribly worth living, but it's the most important thing.

Re: Ask HN: Are you lost / confused / stuck? I can try to help

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> I'm not trained with any formal credentials Get trained with some. There is a massively growing demand for therapists. World events and changing culture are creating the conditions for widespread personal crises. This has a big effect on the economy and is really an underlying root cause problem for many other visible socio-economic problems. Science now strongly backs modern psychotherapeutic practice, and it can…

I was in therapy for a while and I don't buy that therapists are good at actually solving people's problems. I saw a couple therapists and a both would often parrot whatever zeitgeisty feel good advice was common on Instagram - stuff like "self care" and the like - these sorts of things just encourage you to sink deeper into whatever problems you have and not address the root cause. I don't have any hard data on this but I imagine the majority of therapists are like this - average and not able to get people to solve their own problems.

Re: Ask HN: Are you lost / confused / stuck? I can try to help

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Sorry to have to be that person but I think it's plainly irresponsible to put yourself in a position to want to help people who are troubled, lost and confused and possibly in need of professional help on which you claim to have no training. If therapy isn't helping it's generally a matter of a specific therapist who may not be working for you, but psychology is something for which people have studied and trained for…

A ex-depressed successful entrepreneur may be more capable of helping a depressed not successful entrepreneur than a professional therapist. Knowing how to listen someone doesn't give you the qualities to proper advice them besides some abstract behaviors like: "listen more to people", "be more kind to yourself" and the likes.

Re: Ask HN: Are you lost / confused / stuck? I can try to help

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> I'm not trained with any formal credentials Get trained with some. There is a massively growing demand for therapists. World events and changing culture are creating the conditions for widespread personal crises. This has a big effect on the economy and is really an underlying root cause problem for many other visible socio-economic problems. Science now strongly backs modern psychotherapeutic practice, and it can…

I was in therapy for a while and I don't buy that therapists are good at actually solving people's problems. I saw a couple therapists and a both would often parrot whatever zeitgeisty feel good advice was common on Instagram - stuff like "self care" and the like - these sorts of things just encourage you to sink deeper into whatever problems you have and not address the root cause. I don't have any hard data on this…

@omosubi, this almost slipped past my reply window.

I think you got a bad deal and saw the wrong side of it, and for sure there are bad therapists around. That's why I pushed the formal training thing a bit.

> I don't buy that therapists are good at actually solving people's problems.

You're right. It's a cliche, but they help people who want to change solve their own problems. There aren't "therapists in general" just individual ones. Most all of them are the wrong one for you.

> whatever zeitgeist feel good advice was common on Instagram

That's bad.

If you ever try again shop around mercilessly. Any real therapist will give you a free initial meeting to see if the relationship is going to work. Totally walk out and say "thanks but no" until it feels like something is going on... what that feeling may be is that you hate this person for touching a nerve, or something, but it will be emotional.

> encourage you to sink deeper into whatever problems you have and not address the root cause.

If you can articulate what you think the root cause is you're already ahead. Sometimes that's months of work to discover. The root cause can bring up really shitty stuff that makes you want to quit. And what you think the root cause is might not be the root. Therapy is not just 5Y analysis. Be prepared to find that some major code needs rewriting.

> I imagine the majority of therapists are like this

As I said the majority of therapists are the wrong one for you. The usual distribution. You're probably smart enough to know the bell-curve already - some shit, some brilliant, many that are not for you... a few that are. Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: Are you lost / confused / stuck? I can try to help

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I were in ACT therapy and also in group sessions for a while. One takeaway i return to is the advice to "Don't live a fighting lifestyle", which i interpret at not beating yourself up trying to change things. Instead the therapist recommended experimenting with kinder "non-fighting" life adjustments that can help you.

I think the plant analogy to mental health written here is great too

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