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Re: Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society: survey

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Post by 1over137 »

jleyank wrote: post #22
car_analogy wrote: post #12

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> Perhaps if they followed their purported beliefs rather than their tribal nature? The Old Testament is extremely tribal, and commanded the Chosen to exterminate several competing tribes. I'd rather it not be followed too closely: 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. Numbers 21…

Not being Muslim, I can't state the relationship between the Koran and the Old Testament, but any contradiction in the former would be taken in preference I assume. I thought the New Testament was a replacement for the Old - certainly the teachings disagree with what you include. Although between "them" and worshipping money it's hard to find people who actually follow New Testament dogma. Hard for people to "turn th…

>I thought the New Testament was a replacement for the Old

Nope. Otherwise why is the Old Testament still in the bible?

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Post by tomohawk »

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What are you talking about. In Islam the Quran is considered the final revelation of God that is to remain preserved until the day of judgement. The previous prophets like Moses and Jesus (Peace be upon them) came with revelation too but they were corrupted by man who ascribed things to Allah by adding stuff up to the books. Look how many version of the bibles there is. However, there is only one Quran. 114 chapters.…

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Post by zokula »

getcrunk wrote: post #45
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> In fact, many Christians and Jews were murdered or enslaved at his command because they refused to follow him. That is false. The prophet Muhammad never killed Jews or Christians for not following Islam. The Jews he fought with and killed were due to political reasons. In most cases, treachery. One group he had a treaty with tried to assassinate him, for example. This is a common islamaphobic trope.

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Post by pokey00 »

DFHippie wrote: post #14
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I feel like you might be reversing the causality a bit and bringing religion into things because of that perception. I can't remember the last time I discussed religion with anybody in public as an American. Admittedly I live in a bubble that means that I'm not interacting with any fundamentalists or evangelicals but if you are coming from Canada you are probably in that some bubble.

I'm with you. I don't recognize the OP's description of US culture at all in the community where I live. Granted, I'm in Vermont, which is not at all typical, but it is also right next to Canada. I lived in Buffalo, also right next to Canada, and any public conversation about religion was scarce there as well. Perhaps the OP flies regularly to Arkansas?

Also from Buffalo, same experience- someone bringing up religion in conversation would be odd. Would be really weird if they start talking about their relationship with God, praying, etc. Not that there's any problem with this stuff, but for me (and how I was raised), it's a private matter.

I've been away from Buffalo for maybe 15 years now and everywhere I've been outside of the north east, people will somehow work church and God into conversations. And for them, there's nothing odd about it... they just kind of assume I'm on board and it's not weird at all. I'm used to it at this point, but it used to be uncomfortable.

My anecdotal conclusion is that the "religion is a private matter" mentality might just be local to the northeast US.

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Post by t_mann »

motohagiography wrote: post #55
t_mann wrote: post #23

tl;dr: two thirds of Canadians report believing in a higher power in some way. If you slice the data in enough ways you'll find a few that will make headlines like this.

I was about to snark that this was done by a polling firm who works for political parties whose main opposition are also faith based, but as a finding to say 2/3 of people can be appealed to based on their faith in something, that's an important and valuable number. The people who believe nothing are indeed in a minority, and they are also in power, so the tone of the article was likely to make believers of any faith…

I don't wanna take any sides here, I just point out when someone reports their data in a questionable way.

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Post by avighnay »

I have come to view religions as organisms in an eco-system. The behavior is very analogous. The goal for both is survival and propagation. As within an eco-system, organisms evolve and adopt survival strategies. Religions do the same too. Organisms evolve due to genetic aberration, Religions evolve due to social aberration. In any eco-system, the young organisms are known to adopt harsher survival strategies, in religions you find the younger religions (Abrahamic, at this point of time in history), adopt strategies of violence and coercion. The more tougher to get out of a religion is directly proportional to how young it is. The principles are hard wired for survival, hence more emphasis on mandatory daily/weekly rituals for all in the religion, unlike in older ones where rituals in general are more often than not a domain of the priests. The older religions on the other hand are less virulent and more susceptible to younger challengers. Some organisms in nature beat this challenger possibility by adopting a more distributed structure, there by surviving in spite of assault from challengers. Young religions on the other hand prefer a centralized control structure which helps in keeping the line discipline. As within an eco-system, strategies of some organisms might be damaging to the eco-system as a whole. When it comes to religion, the ecological balance can be obtained only when damaging survival strategies are identified and discarded by the said organism, in other words it just needs to grow up...

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Post by tomohawk »

getcrunk wrote: post #45
tomohawk wrote: post #34

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> In fact, many Christians and Jews were murdered or enslaved at his command because they refused to follow him. That is false. The prophet Muhammad never killed Jews or Christians for not following Islam. The Jews he fought with and killed were due to political reasons. In most cases, treachery. One group he had a treaty with tried to assassinate him, for example. This is a common islamaphobic trope.

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Post by CaptainNegative »

getcrunk wrote: post #45
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> In fact, many Christians and Jews were murdered or enslaved at his command because they refused to follow him. That is false. The prophet Muhammad never killed Jews or Christians for not following Islam. The Jews he fought with and killed were due to political reasons. In most cases, treachery. One group he had a treaty with tried to assassinate him, for example. This is a common islamaphobic trope.

Having a divine revelation that the dhimmis are plotting to murder you (and therefore should be forced pay you a 50% tax in perpetuity under threat of expulsion or death, of course) can hardly be considered a purely political, non-religious reason. Or a trope.

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Post by dragonwriter »

tomohawk wrote: post #62
nassimsoftware wrote: post #43

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What are you talking about. In Islam the Quran is considered the final revelation of God that is to remain preserved until the day of judgement. The previous prophets like Moses and Jesus (Peace be upon them) came with revelation too but they were corrupted by man who ascribed things to Allah by adding stuff up to the books. Look how many version of the bibles there is. However, there is only one Quran. 114 chapters.…

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> You are mistaken that there are different versions of the bible. There are different translations.

There are different versions of the sources, as well as different trabslations; most recent versions of the Bible are based on some scholarship which incorporates and makes some effort to reconcile the differences, rather than simply choosing one set as authoritative, but the differences in the sources contribute to difference between translations.

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Post by danamit »

CaptainNegative wrote: post #68
getcrunk wrote: post #45

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> In fact, many Christians and Jews were murdered or enslaved at his command because they refused to follow him. That is false. The prophet Muhammad never killed Jews or Christians for not following Islam. The Jews he fought with and killed were due to political reasons. In most cases, treachery. One group he had a treaty with tried to assassinate him, for example. This is a common islamaphobic trope.

Having a divine revelation that the dhimmis are plotting to murder you (and therefore should be forced pay you a 50% tax in perpetuity under threat of expulsion or death, of course) can hardly be considered a purely political, non-religious reason. Or a trope.

Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

FYI: there exists many other Jewish tribes, this ones killed for the reasons stated in article.

Please read a bit before you talk, it is embarrassing!

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