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Re: Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society: survey

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Post by LegitShady »

liminal wrote: post #7

There's lots of interesting nuance in the actual survey report: https://angusreid.org/canada-religion-interfaith-holy-week/ Edit: Towards the bottom of the report is a matrix showing how the various religious groups feel about each other (net positive/negative). Some takeaways: * Jews and Hindus are the only groups that think positively about all the others * Catholics and Evangelicals are negative on the Jews * Evan…

That table is interesting.

The gulf between jewish view of evangelicals (+35) to evangelicals view of jews (-45) is interesting, but there are other situations similar like protestants like evangelicals (+55) while evangelicals are a little cooler to protestants (-10).

edit: it seems someone is saying the columns and rows are reversed from how I read it. I don't see where that's indicated, although that makes sense if you look at the evangelical row and how most groups dislike them, which was a reported result. Poorly labelled table.

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Post by jleyank »

car_analogy wrote: post #12
jleyank wrote: post #5

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> Perhaps if they followed their purported beliefs rather than their tribal nature? The Old Testament is extremely tribal, and commanded the Chosen to exterminate several competing tribes. I'd rather it not be followed too closely: 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. Numbers 21…

Not being Muslim, I can't state the relationship between the Koran and the Old Testament, but any contradiction in the former would be taken in preference I assume. I thought the New Testament was a replacement for the Old - certainly the teachings disagree with what you include. Although between "them" and worshipping money it's hard to find people who actually follow New Testament dogma. Hard for people to "turn the other cheek" and "treat others...", and that negative stuff about rich men and needles.

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Post by LegitShady »

jleyank wrote: post #5

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People of the book whose resulting cultures are fairly different.

I'm not sure people of the book means anything.

The jews think the christians stole their book to make up a new religion and pretend it came from judaism. The christians think islam stole their book to make a new religion and pretend it came from judaism and christianity. Islam believes that the bahai...

"people of the book" isn't a unifying feature when you realize everyone is actually territorial about their books.

Re: Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society: survey

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Post by Pasorrijer »

procgen wrote: post #20
Pasorrijer wrote: post #2

As a Canadian who spends a considerable amount of time travelling to the US, the difference is fairly striking. Religion enters almost every conversation I have in the US in some way. Whereas in Canada, religion almost never comes up. If it does, it's generally a discussion on the merits where I'm talking more about history and culture. It's fascinating how two places, so geographically close can be so culturally dif…

> Religion enters almost every conversation I have in the US in some way. I'm an American and this is very surprising to me. In fact, I find it difficult to believe. Can you give some examples?

Yep! Now, I've primarily been travelling to Texas, Kentucky and Ohio. But things like most people mention bible study, it's assumed you're going to church on Sunday, more religious aphorisms and sayings.

Primarily, most of my interactions with clients are on a blue collar level, although an affluent blue collar level. Not sure if that changes the circle a number of HN readers might be in?

I also might notice it more because I specifically try to avoid religion in any conversation, it's a topic that really has no upside to talk about with clients.

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Post by jleyank »

DFHippie wrote: post #14
anm89 wrote: post #4

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I feel like you might be reversing the causality a bit and bringing religion into things because of that perception. I can't remember the last time I discussed religion with anybody in public as an American. Admittedly I live in a bubble that means that I'm not interacting with any fundamentalists or evangelicals but if you are coming from Canada you are probably in that some bubble.

I'm with you. I don't recognize the OP's description of US culture at all in the community where I live. Granted, I'm in Vermont, which is not at all typical, but it is also right next to Canada. I lived in Buffalo, also right next to Canada, and any public conversation about religion was scarce there as well. Perhaps the OP flies regularly to Arkansas?

Red state/blue state difference applies to religion. So much so that religion drives the politics of red states more so that money or even "them". Although they somehow bend religion to separate Christians into good ones and bad ones just fine.

Re: Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society: survey

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Post by olyjohn »

DFHippie wrote: post #14
anm89 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you might be reversing the causality a bit and bringing religion into things because of that perception. I can't remember the last time I discussed religion with anybody in public as an American. Admittedly I live in a bubble that means that I'm not interacting with any fundamentalists or evangelicals but if you are coming from Canada you are probably in that some bubble.

I'm with you. I don't recognize the OP's description of US culture at all in the community where I live. Granted, I'm in Vermont, which is not at all typical, but it is also right next to Canada. I lived in Buffalo, also right next to Canada, and any public conversation about religion was scarce there as well. Perhaps the OP flies regularly to Arkansas?

I don't get it either. Half of my family is Canadian. I've crossed the border my whole life... The only thing I can figure, is maybe they come to the US and don't get away from the border cities? They tend to be small and quite rural. I feel like those kinds of towns tend to be a bit more religious.

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Post by ketzo »

Pasorrijer wrote: post #25
procgen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Religion enters almost every conversation I have in the US in some way. I'm an American and this is very surprising to me. In fact, I find it difficult to believe. Can you give some examples?

Yep! Now, I've primarily been travelling to Texas, Kentucky and Ohio. But things like most people mention bible study, it's assumed you're going to church on Sunday, more religious aphorisms and sayings. Primarily, most of my interactions with clients are on a blue collar level, although an affluent blue collar level. Not sure if that changes the circle a number of HN readers might be in? I also might notice it more…

I mean -- you've been in three of the most religious states in the U.S., and you're interacting w blue collar workers. There is a fairly tremendous sampling bias.

But I agree that very religious Americans do manage to work their religion into conversations in which you just wouldn't think it would come up.

Re: Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society: survey

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Post by gedy »

Pasorrijer wrote: post #25
procgen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Religion enters almost every conversation I have in the US in some way. I'm an American and this is very surprising to me. In fact, I find it difficult to believe. Can you give some examples?

Yep! Now, I've primarily been travelling to Texas, Kentucky and Ohio. But things like most people mention bible study, it's assumed you're going to church on Sunday, more religious aphorisms and sayings. Primarily, most of my interactions with clients are on a blue collar level, although an affluent blue collar level. Not sure if that changes the circle a number of HN readers might be in? I also might notice it more…

Your family or in laws maybe?
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