Can’t phone vendors have people pose as a client to NSO to get access to the latest RCE and patch it?
UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus
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Some context/background to the deal the sale has been stalled for more than a year at that point , the league had decided arbitrarily to put a fitness check and delay(not reject) the deal. Roman, usmanov (minority holder ) and Abu Dhabi sovereign fund are current owners of major clubs before Saudi Arabia . The stalling and later approval has nothing to do with concerns of sportswashing (PL has sold out any morality t…
> Disclaimer : I am a Newcastle fan As-salamu alaykum I reckon the fans of rival clubs will absolutely terrorize you with taunting going forth.
I’m sure the Sunderland lads have already clocked it. Feel free to drop by…
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> I really don’t feel that anyone is prepared to have a serious discussion regarding Israel, and I believe that’s mainly because… …Israel’s intelligence finds or creates blackmail on more than enough key politicians and their staff in the western countries.
“Israel’s intelligence” is like a gang member calling themselves “lil NSA” or some shit. It’s the NSA and globalist interests within the US who don’t like the idea that nations are nations and they don’t control the Earth.
It’s very insulting to people with compensate for a lack of personality or wit with egotism to be told you can’t just “do whatever” when you have a billion dollars.
Again, I think no one is ready for a serious conversation about this. We don’t consider our rich mentally ill, and therefore there can be little else to be said or done.
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#54And what were GCHQ, MI6 and NCSC doing to protect our prime-minister at this time? We have a problem in democratic nations. I've written about it here [1]. Bruce Schneier has also addressed it in his own way. Our lack of any framework for civic cybersecurity is a disgrace. People in future ages will look back on our time as a wild-west. A solution can only come from a ground-up awareness through education. [1] http:/…
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I'm trying to understand why the toys flew out the pram when I said
"democracy". Did it offend, as if to say "Hey we live in a democracy
and by implication all other countries are shite" ? I didn't mean
that. It's a very loaded word, so sorry if it "triggers". Notice I
didn't say functional democracy. I guess along with it goes a whole
slew of hidden values, like how we expect public figures to behave,
and how we expect institutions to work.
respects
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> I really don’t feel that anyone is prepared to have a serious discussion regarding Israel, and I believe that’s mainly because… …Israel’s intelligence finds or creates blackmail on more than enough key politicians and their staff in the western countries.
I expect basically every intelligence agency to do that to everyone else.
On the other hand, Johnson and many of his staff clearly can’t be blackmailed because he and many of them are totally shameless.
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#56Can’t phone vendors have people pose as a client to NSO to get access to the latest RCE and patch it?
There are others who would know more about this than I do, but a few reasons come to mind:
1. NSO almost certainly has more than one exploit chain at a time. While this would burn one of their exploits, it wouldn’t put them out of business or eliminate the ability for them to get RCE on phones in general.
2. Vendors already have bug bounty programs with established award ceilings. These exploits are almost always far more valuable than the vendor is willing to pay via their bug bounty program. Why would the vendor pay more in this instance?
3. Given (1), how long would this go on for? NSO—who is aware of how many exploit chains they have—likely wouldn’t sell all of their exploits to a single buyer and risk them all getting burned.
TL;DR: It wouldn’t be practical.
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#57I'm surprised this isn't a major diplomatic incident between the UK and Israel too, since the Israeli intelligence company was supposedly "closely monitoring how their customers were using the software" or akin to that. Like, yeah, blame the UAE mostly for this but let's also have a discussion about why this was sold to anyone who would pay with no oversight at all. Western countries need to do better.
> I'm surprised this isn't a major diplomatic incident between the UK and Israel too
Are you really surprised? I'd be surprised if the UK and its media made a fuss about it. Certainly we won't be making a fuss about it here in the US that's for sure. I'd imagine russia and china wishes they had 1/10th the influence that israel has in the US/UK. Say what you want about israel, but for such a tiny country, it punches far above its weight.
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#58I'm surprised this isn't a major diplomatic incident between the UK and Israel too, since the Israeli intelligence company was supposedly "closely monitoring how their customers were using the software" or akin to that. Like, yeah, blame the UAE mostly for this but let's also have a discussion about why this was sold to anyone who would pay with no oversight at all. Western countries need to do better.
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John Mearsheimer (Chicago professor) & Stephen Walt (Harvard professor) wrote a New York Times bestseller book called the Israel Lobby which delicately discussed in careful details the influence of the Israeli lobby on US politics.
Perhaps the treatment they got for the book is the reason many serious academics and intellectual steer clear of the topic. Which is unfortunate since the pernicious influence of the lobby has arguably grown steadily since they published the book, culminating in the election of Trump and such disastrous consequence for the world like shredding of Obama's Iran nuclear agreement.
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#59I'm surprised this isn't a major diplomatic incident between the UK and Israel too, since the Israeli intelligence company was supposedly "closely monitoring how their customers were using the software" or akin to that. Like, yeah, blame the UAE mostly for this but let's also have a discussion about why this was sold to anyone who would pay with no oversight at all. Western countries need to do better.
Politics...
If russia did that, they would be treated a lot differently than israel or eg. USA.
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> I really don’t feel that anyone is prepared to have a serious discussion regarding Israel, and I believe that’s mainly because… …Israel’s intelligence finds or creates blackmail on more than enough key politicians and their staff in the western countries.
“Israel’s intelligence” is like a gang member calling themselves “lil NSA” or some shit. It’s the NSA and globalist interests within the US who don’t like the idea that nations are nations and they don’t control the Earth. It’s very insulting to people with compensate for a lack of personality or wit with egotism to be told you can’t just “do whatever” when you have a billion dollars. Again, I think no one is ready f…
Sounds like they are a very powerful force not only controlling your mentally ill rich but also living rent free in your head.