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Ask HN: What Happened to Lambda-the-Ultimate.org?
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Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Lambda-the-Ultimate.org?
#12A lot of different stuff: The language wars largely ended, with the more popular languages folding in a lot of the more (at the time) esoteric features. DSLs have fallen out of favor. Javascript took over for a bit (although I believe that is receding.) LtU was a great place for about a decade when the internet was getting going, moving language discussions out of the mailing lists, which were pretty isolated, and in…
> The language wars largely ended, with the more popular languages folding in a lot of the more (at the time) esoteric features.
> DSLs have fallen out of favor.
External DSLs have largely fallen out of favor, in a large part because the “esoteric features” that have been widely adopted include those that enable very expressive internal DSLs.
Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Lambda-the-Ultimate.org?
#13It's actually been down for over a week already (maybe even two), my guess is that they don't have the thing monitored and it'll only get fixed once it reaches the admin's ear
A similar thing happened to learnyouahaskell late last year and it was also down for a while (a few weeks IIRC). Fortunately, it's back up now.
Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Lambda-the-Ultimate.org?
#14It's actually been down for over a week already (maybe even two), my guess is that they don't have the thing monitored and it'll only get fixed once it reaches the admin's ear
ah damn, I visited it not long ago (a month maybe), almost no activity but still up
Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Lambda-the-Ultimate.org?
#15I used to love reading this site, but haven't in a long time. The only other place I know that discusses PL stuff is https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/ . The discussion there's not always high quality, but sometimes there are interesting topics. Does anyone know of any other good places where PL theory and topics are are discussed?
It's not centralized, but I see a fair bit of discussion on Twitter by following the researchers in the area.
Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Lambda-the-Ultimate.org?
#16I visited it about a month ago and it was up but some page loads were taking a couple of minutes.
Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Lambda-the-Ultimate.org?
#17A lot of different stuff: The language wars largely ended, with the more popular languages folding in a lot of the more (at the time) esoteric features. DSLs have fallen out of favor. Javascript took over for a bit (although I believe that is receding.) LtU was a great place for about a decade when the internet was getting going, moving language discussions out of the mailing lists, which were pretty isolated, and in…
I'm not familiar with the OP content but curious about DSLs in web dev. Is there a whole ecosystem of these that I simply didn't know about? Only one that comes to mind is CoffeeScript but that feels long gone at this point. Going to read about your Hyperscript which sounds interesting
Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Lambda-the-Ultimate.org?
#18It became Lambda: The Ultimate Noop.
Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Lambda-the-Ultimate.org?
#19I used to love reading this site, but haven't in a long time. The only other place I know that discusses PL stuff is https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/ . The discussion there's not always high quality, but sometimes there are interesting topics. Does anyone know of any other good places where PL theory and topics are are discussed?
Adding cs and cstheory stackexchanges to the list.
Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Lambda-the-Ultimate.org?
#20A lot of different stuff: The language wars largely ended, with the more popular languages folding in a lot of the more (at the time) esoteric features. DSLs have fallen out of favor. Javascript took over for a bit (although I believe that is receding.) LtU was a great place for about a decade when the internet was getting going, moving language discussions out of the mailing lists, which were pretty isolated, and in…
> The language wars largely ended, with the more popular languages folding in a lot of the more (at the time) esoteric features. > DSLs have fallen out of favor. External DSLs have largely fallen out of favor, in a large part because the “esoteric features” that have been widely adopted include those that enable very expressive internal DSLs.
It is no fun writing external DSLs when you're stuck with your grandfather's parser generator.
If we had grammars that were really extensible (add "unless(X)" equivalent to "if(!X)" in Java's grammar with a few lines of code) and composable (stick a SQL statement into a Java program with just a few lines of code if you have the SQL and Java grammars) and reversible (turn the AST tree back to source code) it would be a lot more fun writing external DSLs.
Every so often a revolution gets promised, like PEG parsers for Python, but then people get worried about how fast the parser is again and it isn't like Heinlein's Moon is a Harsh Mistress but more like Haldeman's Worlds (as Pete Townsend puts it "We won't get fooled again".)
If parsers were easier to use people might use them 10x as often as they do today.