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Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by kcplate » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:26 PM UTC

seanicus wrote: post #98

mardifoufs wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's just a variant of the slippery slope fallacy. There's nothing related to religion here, and they have not mentioned anything about evolution.

“Our desire is to … confront the culture in which we all live today in ways which will continue to advance God’s kingdom, not to stay in our own safe territories,” Betsy DeVos said. Cited from this article: https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devo... Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public…

> Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools

You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement, yet my SIL works at a teacher at a charter school that has no religious curriculum. Its oriented to exploring the use of novel teaching methodologies not yet adopted by the public schools and quite successful. Its in a more economically depressed area, which serves the kids in that area quite well and is sought after educational center for parents in that area, because the public school is crap (and was crap before the charters opened). This in large part why charter school initiatives poll well in economically depressed communities.

Do some parochial schools benefit? Sure. Is the charter school movement only for parochial schools? Nope.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by robbedpeter » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:28 PM UTC

beepbooptheory wrote: post #115

robbedpeter wrote: post #72

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I think you might be conflating significant discomfort with financial inability. People used to uproot their families and migrate while scavenging, or dad would move to a place with better prospects while sending money back home until they'd saved enough to move. There are places where the cost of living is less than half what it is in Florida. Disrupting your family's life over a two year period to make a move is ri…

Just a gentle suggestion: next time you have a chance, talk to someone who is in the kind of economic situation you allude to here. Talk to the cleaners or security guards at your office, talk to people who perhaps clean your home or cut your grass, talk to any server or cook you interact with. You will hear lots of stories, I'm sure, but not many that fit into your picture here. More people than not are absolutely u…

I'm not speaking from ignorance, but a place of brutal pragmatism. I understand that mobility comes with risks and disruption and is not always a good move. It is, however, far more possible and feasible than many make it out to be, and sometimes the best choice still isn't a good one.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:32 PM UTC

They haven't listed the books banned or given examples of the content they find objectionable. Until they do this is just political theatre that relies on peoples imaginations to fill in the blanks.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by JaimeThompson » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:41 PM UTC

kcplate wrote: post #121

seanicus wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Our desire is to … confront the culture in which we all live today in ways which will continue to advance God’s kingdom, not to stay in our own safe territories,” Betsy DeVos said. Cited from this article: https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devo... Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public…

> Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement, yet my SIL works at a teacher at a charter school that has no religious curriculum. Its oriented to exploring the use of…

There are a lot of different types of charter schools with vastly different rules and regulations.

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Post by azemetre » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

k1ko wrote: post #70

azemetre wrote: post #49

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I think we can all know why examples aren't being included, it's just egregious politicizing for personal gain. DeSantis wants to run for President, all these moves just improve his chances at winning the primary. What's crazy is that he only won the Governor election by very small margins. He's acting like Florida is a deep red state. It's going to backfire on him IMO.

He's got a 54% approval rating as opposed to 38% disapproval. He's also running at 58% approval among independents. Finally, he is also polling double digits against any potential Democrat challenger. Pretty clear his policies have been popular with most Floridians.

He won by less than 40k votes (something like less than half a percent) [1], I’m sorry but that’s a dangerous game to play if you want to win general elections. Polls this early don’t matter, polls the weeks before election does. This is nothing but political grand standing.

Also independent voters are a misnomer. Independents will typically vote for their preferred party the majority of the time, they're still partisans they just don't vote in primaries. [2] [3]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Florida_gubernatorial_ele...

[2] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/few-americans-who-ident...

[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/01/0...

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by dragonwriter » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

kcplate wrote: post #121

seanicus wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Our desire is to … confront the culture in which we all live today in ways which will continue to advance God’s kingdom, not to stay in our own safe territories,” Betsy DeVos said. Cited from this article: https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devo... Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public…

> Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement, yet my SIL works at a teacher at a charter school that has no religious curriculum. Its oriented to exploring the use of…

> You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement

Only indirectly. It's about the voucher movement (parochial schools can't be charter schools). The main connection to the charter movement (with regard to support specifically for parochial schools) is that the pro-parochial voucher movement sometimes uses push for charters as an Overton-window shifting technique to break down resistance to public funding of private schools where they can't win outright.

(The voucher and charter movements are more deeply connected through the broader private-for-profit schooling industry and it's lobbying, but that's a different angle than the parochial schooling one, though it connects back because the industry definitely uses the religious community much the same way the auto insurance industry uses MADD.)

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by klyrs » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:43 PM UTC

JaimeThompson wrote: post #102

treeface9000 wrote: post #2

I'd like to see some concrete examples... but if it's truly in there -- good for them! It has absolutely no reason to be in a math textbook.

If a parent finds something goes against their beliefs should they be able to stop their kids from learning about it in school?

That isn't quite on the nose: if a parent finds something goes against their beliefs should they be able to stop everybody's kids from learning about it in school?

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Post by JaimeThompson » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:50 PM UTC

klyrs wrote: post #127

JaimeThompson wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a parent finds something goes against their beliefs should they be able to stop their kids from learning about it in school?

That isn't quite on the nose: if a parent finds something goes against their beliefs should they be able to stop everybody's kids from learning about it in school?

I should have provided more context, some states allow parents to opt kids out of individual subsets of classes such as sex education and the like.

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Post by itbeho » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 6:19 PM UTC

HideousKojima wrote: post #23

capableweb wrote: post #10

I can understand rejecting them for "failed to meet curriculum standards", but what does "incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies" really mean? Are there math topics and "stategies" that are illegal in the US/Florida somehow? I also understand that including critical race theory in math books seems wildly irrelevant (unless I miss something) and therefor not fit for the curriculum. But I'm interested…

I could imagine it being something along the lines of "The economic productivity of a typical black slave was X... yada yada yada... how many dollars in reparations does America owe modern black Americans Y years later at interest rate Z." I could also imagine it being something much more benign. I really wish we could see what it actually was so we could see if the DoE's judgement here was reasonable or not.

https://www.k12.wa.us/sites/default/files/public/socialstudi...

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by usrn » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #111

sigspec wrote: post #87

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So I need to pack up and move my entire family history across the US because some Bozo got 54% of the vote? Ridiculous

46% of the state, roughly 10M people, should move, apparently.

It's similar to the idea that's popular here: people in single family housing need to move to make way for multi family housing so we can bring in more immigrants.